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To promote independent thought about ultimates. Philosophy, commentary on the passing scene, and whatever else turns my crank. Since 4 May 2004. By William F. Vallicella, Ph.D., Gold Canyon, Arizona, USA. Motto: "Study everything, join nothing." (Paul Brunton) Latin Motto: Omnia mea mecum porto. Turkish motto: Yol bilen kervana katilmaz. (He who knows the road does not join the caravan.) All material copyrighted.

Retortion and the Existence of Truth

Retortion (also spelled 'retorsion') is the philosophical procedure whereby one seeks to establish a thesis by uncovering a performative inconsistency in anyone (any actual or possible rational agent) who attempts to deny it. Let us see if if we can use this procedure to establish the existence of truth, by which I mean the existence of truths. By the existence of truth I mean the existence of truth an sich, in itself, and apart from beings like us. Can it be proven that there are some truths? Can it be proven that there must be some truths?

Posted by William F. Vallicella on Tuesday May 20, 2008 at 4:51pm
w_ockham (mail) (www):
I thought this was a very good post. Reminds me of an argument by Aristotle (I'm at work, can't remember where). He is discussing the principle of (non) contradiction, and argues that anyone who believes this must be indifferent as to whether they are travelling to Megara or not. There was a similar argument the scholastics used about eternal punishment. You can't consistently worry about the possibility of eternal punishment and damnation, and hold that the principal of contradication is false.
5.21.2008 12:48am
Peter Lupu (mail):
Bill,

what if the skeptic of truth-in-itself refuses to assert the denial but makes his point as follows:

(A) All truths are relative to a thinker/speaker;

meaning to include (A) in the scope of the quantifier 'all'?

Such a skeptic would avoid the difficulty you raise about the performative inconsistency of asserting the denial of truth-in-itself but achieve the same result (or would he?).

peter
5.21.2008 4:50am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the simulating comments.

My concern above is with the existence of truth rather than with the nature of truth. The issues that divide alethic relativists and nonrelativists concern the nature of truth. One can envisage four types of view:

A. Truth is absolute by its very nature, and it exists independently of us (and beings like us).

B. Truth is absolute by its very nature, but it does not exist independently of us.

C. Truth is relative (perhaps along the lines of the relativized relativism you sketch above) and it (therefore)does not exist independently of beings like us.

D. Truth is relative but it exists independently of beings like us.

Now (D) excludes itself 'right off the bat': if it is the nature of truth to be relative, then it cannot exist apart from those to whom it is relative. I reject (C) because I argue that truth by its very nature is nonrelative. But I would concede to you that IF there were a good argument for a form of alethic relativism, then that would be an argument against the existence of truth in itself.

What I am concerned with above is the difference between (A) and (B). Given that truth is absolute, is it also existent in itself or does it exist only when minds like ours exist? Is truth merely a transcendental (and thus unavoidable) presupposition of the thinking, talking, and inquiring of finite minds? Or does truth have a transcendent validity?

Example. It is true that table salt is NaCl. And it would be silly to say that that is true for some people and false for others. (Suppose someone were to say that this true for chemists but not for accordion players.) But if it is intersubjectively true -- true for every actual and possible finite subject -- one might yet wonder whether it is objectively true, true in itself apart from any finite subject.

Suppose there are no finite minds except human minds. Assume that these minds did not exist when dinosaurs roamed the earth. Was it true in the dinisaur days that salt is NaCl? One might say: salt existed back then, but it was not true that Salt is NaCl because truth involves a correspondence between mind and thing, and there were no minds (of the appropriate sort) back then.

Since we disagree about existence I suspect we will disagree about truth as well. These things tend to come as parts of 'package deals.'
5.21.2008 12:25pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
O,

Thank you. Are you thinking of Metaphysics, Gamma, 3-4? See Retortion and Non-Contradiction in Aristotle, Metaphysics, Gamma 3, 4 The discssion thread with Rhoda and Michael Sullivan was particularly good.

There are special problems with defending LNC since Graham Priest's counterexamples and arguments kick in. Have you read his work?
5.21.2008 12:38pm
w_ockham (mail) (www):
Yes it was that part of the Metaphysics, and it was the walking to Megara I was thinking of.

For why does a man walk to Megara and not stay at home, when he thinks he ought to be walking there? Why does he not walk early some morning into a well or over a precipice, if one happens to be in his way? Why do we observe him guarding against this, evidently because he does not think that falling in is alike good and not good? Evidently, then, he judges one thing to be better and another worse. And if this is so, he must also judge one thing to be a man and another to be not-a-man, one thing to be sweet and another to be not-sweet. For he does not aim at and judge all things alike, when, thinking it desirable to drink water or to see a man, he proceeds to aim at these things; yet he ought, if the same thing were alike a man and not-a-man. But, as was said, there is no one who does not obviously avoid some things and not others. Therefore, as it seems, all men make unqualified judgements, if not about all things, still about what is better and worse. And if this is not knowledge but opinion, they should be all the more anxious about the truth, as a sick man should be more anxious about his health than one who is healthy; for he who has opinions is, in comparison with the man who knows, not in a healthy state as far as the truth is concerned.

In answer to your other question, no I haven't read Priest, out of distaste, but I suppose I should (distaste being unphilosophical).
5.21.2008 11:23pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Well, reading Priest is not like reading Gabriel Marcel. I rather doubt you have read any Marcel, though. Priest is clear, rigorous, and challenging to orthodoxy. So you must read him.

I believe I have shown above that truth is undeniable, not just by us, but an sich as the Germans say. But that is quite different from arguing that classical laws such as LNC apply to reality as opposed to being valid only for thought-contents. Aristotle is aware of the gap between laws of thought and laws of reality, but I don't believe he bridges it. I mean: he assumes but doesn't prove that what is true of thoughts is also true of reality.

I believe one must take seriously the challenge represented by Nagarjuna, Heraclitus, Hegel, Nietzsche, and others.
5.22.2008 11:34am
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