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To promote independent thought about ultimates. Philosophy, commentary on the passing scene, and whatever else turns my crank. Since 4 May 2004. By William F. Vallicella, Ph.D., Gold Canyon, Arizona, USA. Motto: "Study everything, join nothing." (Paul Brunton) Latin Motto: Omnia mea mecum porto. Turkish motto: Yol bilen kervana katilmaz. (He who knows the road does not join the caravan.) All material copyrighted.

Are There Non-Intentional Mental States?

The thesis of this post is that there are non-intentional mental states. To establish this thesis all I need is one good example. So consider the felt pain that ensues when I plunge my hand into extremely hot water. This felt pain or phenomenal pain is a conscious mental state. But it does not exhibit intentionality. If this is right, then there are mental states that are non-intentional. Of course, it all depends on what exactly is meant by 'intentionality.' Here is how I understand it.

Posted by William F. Vallicella on Thursday January 24, 2008 at 5:39pm
Eric:
How do you define an 'object'? Is it the nominal category into which we classify a particular mental state (by nominal I am referring to nouns, not names)? Does the unicorn intentional object also satisfy the 'equine-shaped' intentional object?

If the unicorn is red is redness a different intentional state, or constitutive of the intentional unicorn? Would an imagined purple unicorn (same in all other ways) be the same intentional object? My guess is, different.

OK, now let's tie some of these questions together into some claims about pain.It seems the pain inheres in my hand the way colors inhere in the imagined unicorn. So, in your language my hand is the intentional object, and pain is one of its properties. Consciously experienced, but not intentional because it is not an object.

So, would you say a pained hand is an intentional object? Is this a different intentional object than the same hand that is not in pain? E.g., like imagining the same unicorn moving into a different colored light so it has a different imagined color?
1.24.2008 5:57pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Eric,

You don't get it at all. Have you never read Brentano or Husserl or Sartre or any phenomenologist?

How on earth could redness be an intentional state? Redness is a property.

I wrote a very careful post in which I gave four arguments why felt pain cannot be an intentional state. Not only do you not address anything I actually say, you give no indication of understanding this discussion.

So I am going to ask you not to leave any more comments on my site. We have no common ground. Without common ground, discussion has no point.
1.24.2008 6:36pm
Eric:
My questions all get at premise 2 of your argument. Specifically your unicorn example.

My questions on the pain in the hand get at the example you claim supports your conclusion. You know, the example of whether a pain in the hand has intentional content.

I didn't write that post quickly or thoughtlessly. My questions get at the questions Brentano, Husserl (Logical Investigations: see chapter on Mereology and its connection to content), and Twardwoski struggled with.

However, I have obviously pushed a button, and you have just pushed mine, so good day sir.
1.24.2008 9:12pm
w_ockham (mail) (www):

>>But it does not exhibit intentionality.

Note my comments on Berkeley's arguments in the previous post. If the water is just warm, and not painful, then the feeling seems to be intentional, i.e. you feel the warmth to be an affectio of the water, not, as it were an affectio of you.

When it gets scaldingly hot, by contrast, it seems to be an affectio of you. Berkeley's point is that there is no clear line between the pain arriving, and the feeling of 'mere warmth'. He uses this to prove that even the feeling of mere warmth is an affectio of ourselves, ergo non-intentional.


On another point, I am sure I don't need to point out, and you already know what I think of this:

>>3. From the fact that M has O as it object it does not follow that O exists. I

If M has O has object, it follows by particularisation that M has something (i.e. O) as object. Ergo some object of M (namely O) exists.
1.25.2008 1:22am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
PS as a student I once pointed out that Berkeley's sorites argument can work both ways. If we accept the major premiss (that no clear dividing line between the feeling being of warmth, ergo intentional, and of pain, ergo non-intentional) we can change the minor of Berkeley's argument (feeling of pain is non-intentional) to 'feeling of warmth is intentional' to show that the feeling of pain is intentional. As a corollary, pain-qualia exist, in the way we suppose warm-qualia, in intensely hot objects.

I.e. a fire is in intense and horrible anguish all the time. We experience what exists in it, every time we get too close, just as we experience what exists in warm water, when we get close to it.

The prof. thought this argument very strange and disturbing, although had no answer to it.
1.25.2008 1:30am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
O,

There are a lot of subtleties here, and I am surely no master of them.

Your example is a very interesting one. Suppose the water is just warm. You say the feeling of warmth is intentional. But that is what I deny. Compare and contrast the following:

A. You see the sink full of water and your hand immersed in it.

B. You feel the sensory quale, 'warmth.'

Now (A) is a clear case of intentionality. To see is to to see something distinct from the seeing, something that may or may not exist. (I am not now using 'see' as a 'verb of success') The seeing reveals to the seer a constellation of objects, hand sink, water, spigot, etc.

But (B) is about a quale which, though a conscious datum, does not reveal to the subject of the quale something distinct from the quale in the very same way as in (A). The quale does not present anything to the subject. Of course, you can infer from the quale that the water you see has a certain objective temperature. But that is an inference, perhaps a very quick one or even an unconscious one. There is no intentionality, no ofness strictu dictu in the (B) case.

Now I claim there is a phenomenological difference between (A) and (B). Do you 'see' it? Subtle stuff, eh?

I'd like to continue, but wifey demands that I take her out to lunch. And as I always say,

PRIMUM EDERE DEINDE PHILOSOPHARI!

(If I got the Latin wrong, please correct me.)
1.25.2008 9:56am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
Have a good evening. Our evening was last night, a pleasant Italian in Fulham.

On the feeling of warmth, I made an experiment with the gas fire. My experience was one of something distinct from the feeling (as you would put it) identical to the way that seeing is of something distinct from the seeing. The warmth has a spatial location in the air just outside my hands, i.e. what I sense is a property of the adjoining air itself.

If you question how a 'feeling' can be spatially located outside the organ responsible (the hand) I reply that it is no different from visual perception. The direct stimulation of the optic nerve leads to the illusion, if it is that, of a colour-space structured in 3 dimensions 'outside us'. The same would happen if a hologram stimulated our retina in the same way.

So I don't see any per se distinction between seeing colours, and feeling warmth.
1.25.2008 11:51am
Alexander R Pruss (mail) (www):
"But surely there is no conceptual absurdity in the supposition that the felt pain in question exists in a world in which temperature is not mean molecular kinetic enegy. (Consider Lavoisier's world in which caloric has pride of place.) 'Mean molecular kinetic energy' (MMKE) does not enter of necessity into the description of a felt pain even when said pain is caused by MMKE of a certain degree."

I bite the bullet and say that Lavoisier's world has no temperatures. It has something that has a similar functional role to temperature, but it's not temperature.

I have no idea whether it would be possible to have a feeling of heat in that world, either. Of course, it's imaginable. But imaginability is only a guide to possibility.
1.27.2008 6:34pm