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To promote independent thought about ultimates. Philosophy, commentary on the passing scene, and whatever else turns my crank. Since 4 May 2004. By William F. Vallicella, Ph.D., Gold Canyon, Arizona, USA. Motto: "Study everything, join nothing." (Paul Brunton) Latin Motto: Omnia mea mecum porto. Turkish motto: Yol bilen kervana katilmaz. (He who knows the road does not join the caravan.) All material copyrighted.

The Problem of Evil and the Argument from Evil

It is important to distinguish between the problem of evil and the argument from evil. The first is the problem of reconciling the existence of God, as traditionally understood, with the existence of natural and moral evils of the kinds and in the amounts that we encounter in our world. As J. L. Mackie points out, this "is essentially a logical problem: it sets the theist the task of clarifying and if possible reconciling the several beliefs which he holds." (The Miracle of Theism, Oxford 1982, p. 150) Mackie goes on to point out that "the problem in this sense signally does not arise for those whose views of the world are markedly different from traditional theism." Thus the theist's problem of evil does not arise for an atheist. It might, however, be the case that some other problem of evil arises for the atheist. But that is a separate matter.

Posted by William F. Vallicella on Thursday January 10, 2008 at 8:47pm
Peter Lupu (mail):

Bill,

It took me some time to comment on this post. Sorry!

Let me focus in this reply on the so-called logical argument from evil (LAFE, for short).

You distinguish two cases.

(I) First, the purpose of LAFE is to unveil a logical inconsistency within a theistic system of beliefs. Let us call this the Inconsistency-Argument-from-Evil.

(II) Second, the purpose of LAFE is to prove the proposition 'God does not exist' from the proposition 'Evil exists' together with some other premises representing the theist's core beliefs. Let us call this the Non-Existence-Argument-from-Evil.

Now, you point out quite correctly that while the former does not commit the proponent of LAFE to the existence of objective-evil, the later does. And if it turns out that (and this requires a separate argument) that objective-evil requires the existence of the theist's God, then the proponent of LAFE of the second type is in deep trouble: his or her argument collapses. I think you are right.

My question is this:
Why should a proponent of LAFE opt for the Non-Existence-Argument-from-Evil directly, when s/he might be able to achieve (almost) the same result indirectly?

Here how:

(i) The atheist proposes first the Inconsistency-Argument-from-Evil;

(ii) The atheist then points out that the theist cannot rationally accept all the propositions represented by the Inconsistency-Argument; something has to be given up.

(iii) What are the theist's options?
(a) Reject the premise that God Exists;
(b) Reject the premise that objective-evil exists;
(c) Reject and/or modify the premises involving God's divine perfections; e.g., God is not morally-perfect, or omniscient or omnipotent.
(d) Argue that one of the auxiliary premises used in the argument is not a necessary truth and, therefore, the soundness-conditions of the Inconsistency-Argument are not satisfied: i.e., while the argument is valid, it is not sound; hence, the atheist cannot legitimately conclude that the primary premises are inconsistent.

(iv) The theist cannot opt for (a) and should not at this stage;
The theist also should not pursue (b), because it will lead to other very unfavorable outcomes;
The theist will certainly resist (c) because it involves accepting the idea that God's perfections turn out not to be unlimited and as "perfect" as we thought initially (this involves some interesting questions about the coherence of unrestricted concepts);
So the theist should pursue (d) and hope it offers an escape route from LAFE (it is the one that Pike, Plantinga, and others take). Suppose it does not work!

Now, the proponent of LAFE could proceed to the next stage:; namely, prove that all the options the theist might pursue, (a)-(d), are logically equivalent to accepting the proposition 'God does not exist'. However, such a proof might indeed commit the atheist to the existence of objective-evil.
Now, IF it can be shown that objective evil presupposes the existence of a deity featuring certain divine properties, then the atheist is in serious trouble. But the atheist is in serious trouble only when pursuing (II) above; i.e., the Non-Existence-Argument-from-Evil. A proponent of LAFE might just be content with (I), and watch some baseball while the theist sweats out his or her options.

peter
1.14.2008 5:41am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Peter,

Excellent comments. I hope I can get to them tomorrow.
1.14.2008 6:01pm
Peter Lupu (mail):
Bill,

Take your time.

peter
1.15.2008 1:45pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Peter concludes, "A proponent of LAFE might just be content with (I), and watch some baseball while the theist sweats out his or her options."

Yes, the LAFEr might take this tack. But isn't the theist within his epistemic rights in saying that, although he cannot figure out how to rebut the LAFEr's inconsistency argument, he does have reason to believe that his central tenets are consistent as I tried to explain in More on the Compatibility of God and Evil?

Briefly, if I have reason to believe that God exists and reason to believe that evil exists, then I have reason to believe that these beliefs are consistent. And this despite my inability to explain exactly how they are consistent. Wouldn't it then be a stand-off?
1.18.2008 4:32pm
Peter Lupu (mail):

Bill,

I think your proposal has merit. There are two ways of approaching the consequences of LAFE.

(a) LAFE shows that the relevant theistic beliefs are logically inconsistent just like Russell's famous example against Frege's comprehension axiom shows that the later is untenable. (There are other such examples that show that the concept of an unrestricted collection in set theory is unacceptable because it leads to contradictions). Now Frege had fairly good reasons to believe in his comprehension axiom and, therefore, he had good reasons to think that his comprehension axiom is true and compatible with the rest of his axioms. Russell's example shows that he was wrong in these beliefs.

(b) LAFE shows that there is a *paradox* with maintaining the relevant theistic beliefs just like Zeno's example shows that there is a paradox in maintaining that motion exists (together with a few other premises). Since we have very strong rational reasons to maintain the belief that motion exists, we are not inclined to conclude from the paradox that motion does not exist; instead we attempt to show that there has to be something wrong with Zeno's argument or some of the other premises.

Now, it is very difficult to decide on any given occasion which option (a) or (b) is most suitable. You think that there is room for the theist to opt for (b) and I certainly agree. For I do not see LAFE, and never have seen it, as sufficient to refute the proposition that God exists. But I do see it as forcing the theist into a position where it is incumbent upon him or her to review their traditional *conception* of a deity featuring the well-known perfections.
Personally, I think there is a very serious difficulty with the conception of any being that is a rational agent (i.e., their actions are intentional and guided by rational considerations), active in the world, and at the same time it features such unrestricted properties as omnipotence, omniscience, and moral-perfection. I think LAFE-type arguments indicate that indeed there is a problem here. I myself have been working on a way out of this predicament on behalf of the theist. It is not a way that retains everything reflective theists wish they could, but then again this is the price one pays for taking reflective thinking seriously.
peter
1.19.2008 4:38am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Peter,

That is a very intelligent and balanced response. You write,

. . . I do not see LAFE, and never have seen it, as sufficient to refute the proposition that God exists. But I do see it as forcing the theist into a position where it is incumbent upon him or her to review their traditional *conception* of a deity featuring the well-known perfections.

I agree with that. You appreciate that the theist is not tied down to a particular conception of deity. He is free to modify his conception -- within limits of course -- just as the physicist is free to modify his conception of nature.

You sepak of the omni-attributes as "unrestricted." But surely they are restricted? Perhaps a post on this topic is in order . . .
1.19.2008 8:38am
Peter Lupu (mail):

Bill,

It has been absolutely my view and there are several interesting option for the theist in this direction. Some very interesting things might emerge.
I do think that a post on the nature and limitations of the perfections would be both useful and interesting.
peter
1.19.2008 9:06am