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To promote independent thought about ultimates. Philosophy, commentary on the passing scene, and whatever else turns my crank. Since 4 May 2004. By William F. Vallicella, Ph.D., Gold Canyon, Arizona, USA. Motto: "Study everything, join nothing." (Paul Brunton) Latin Motto: Omnia mea mecum porto. Turkish motto: Yol bilen kervana katilmaz. (He who knows the road does not join the caravan.) All material copyrighted.

Toleration and its Limits

Henry Verheggen e-mails:

I have a question. Is there a technical philosophical term for the case when a principle, applied consistently, leads to its own negation? I have in mind the example of the principle of civic tolerance, that when consistently applied to groups such as Muslims who wish to see Sharia law instituted in the West, would lead to the destruction of tolerance. Many other examples can be found in contemporary politics.

This is a good question, Henry, and while I thank you for it, I am not sure of the answer, though 'fallacy of accident' is in the ball park as I explain below. You don't tell me what you mean by 'civic tolerance,' or how the principle of civic tolerance should read, and without a statement of the principle, it is hard to have a disciplined discussion. So let me extract a principle from the following UNESCO paragraph:

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Posted by William F. Vallicella on Saturday November 24, 2007 at 9:14am
Dave Gudeman (www):
Bill, it occurs to me, that the real problem that you and Henry have with PT is not the principle itself because you implicitly endorse large parts of the it in your post. Besides certain issues about exactly what constitutes tolerance and the limits of same, you do agree that we have certain moral obligations, and should have certain legal obligations to tolerance, right? I presume you that agree that it is morally impermissible for a Protestant to hate all Catholics and should be legally impermissible for a Christian to intimidate Jews.

What you really seem to object to is not the principle itself but that the principle is not applied uniformly in practice. If it ought to be legally obligatory to be tolerant, then Muslim intolerance ought to be illegal. Yet in practice this consequence is ignored by the people who seem most enamored of the principle.

Rather than any sort of fallacy, I think that this just another example of leftist mendacity. Their own true principles are so corrupt and immoral that they cannot say them honestly. So instead they endorse genuinely good principles but twist them to evil ends. The idea that women should be treated equally under the law is a good principle, but this has been twisted to allow women to commit infanticide in the form of partial-birth abortion. The principle of helping the poor is a good principle, but this has been twisted to allow the state to take one man's property at gun point and give it to another man. The principle of racial equality is a good principle but it has been twisted into state-enforce special privileges for one race over another.

I think that PT, or something every close to it, is a good principle as long as it is not twisted by leftists in order to further their own immoral ends.
11.24.2007 11:07am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Dave,

Of course I am for toleration (tolerance) properly understood, but I am definitely against (PT) and like principles. Henry is right to suspect some sort of mistake in the reasoning behind (PT), a recurrent sort of mistake, and one that deserves an identificatory label. I suggest that it is the fallacy of accident. There are principles that are sound when applied to most cases, but not when extended to all.

"Respect the right to free speech!" That's a good rough and ready principle, but it is obviously open to exceptions, which would have to be listed in a proper formulation. You have no right to free speech in a situation in which your speech consists in shouting down a scheduled speaker who is legitimately exercising his right to free speech.

Distinguish the spirit and the letter of (PT). I think we agree about the spirt, but my point has to do with the letter, i.e., the exact formulation. As formulated, (PT) is a disaster and is self-defeating.
11.24.2007 12:34pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Henry V e-mails:

Bill,
Thank you for spending the time to compose that well-considered answer to my question. You have captured exactly my perception of the problem, in particular the logical aspect of it. I did not have a specific definition of civic tolerance in mind, but the UN definition illustrates the problem very well. There seems to be an inability on the part of many to conceptualize how there might be limits to these sorts of principle, I imagine because to allow for limits would seem to be admitting that the principle is not absolute.

I would like to say a bit more, but I am still thinking about how to say it. Also, my comment account seems to have been disabled, probably because a cookie or something got lost when I did a security overhaul of my computer recently.
11.24.2007 5:54pm
Muslimphilosopher (mail) (www):
Dave (if I may),

The inapplicability of PT stems from PT itself. It’s too inclusive, and this is the heart of Mr. Verheggen’s concern. For instance: PT and a Sharia-abiding Muslim cannot co-exist since the Sharia, by definition, is exclusive. Sharia boils down to doctrine, and Islamic doctrine is essentially exclusive; e.g. the doctrine Allah is the only God excludes Vishnu, Ahura-Mazda, and any other deity. Once PT is applied its application would include exclusivist doctrines, doctrines that would ultimately use PT to undermine PT. Thus, if PT were applied down to the letter its applicability could undermine itself, hence the fallacy of accident. This also applies to your example on freedom. If freedom were a principle towards “anything goes…” that would include the freedom to negate freedom. Enough said.

I agree that the Lefties take good principles, pluck them from context, sling them down and dance upon them. However, that stems from misunderstanding of the principles not the principles themselves. I’ll save that for another discussion.

sincerely, MP
11.25.2007 9:06am
Michael Sullivan (mail) (www):
Dr Vallicella,

couldn't one relate PT to the Retorsion discussions you were having some time back? That is, isn't "you must not impose your views on others" logically coherent but performatively incoherent, in that one cannot assert it as a moral principle without breaking the moral principle it asserts?
11.25.2007 9:19pm
Bob Koepp (mail):
Micheal - Bill will have to answer your question in his own terms, but I think it is slightly misformed as is. I don't believe that in asserting that something is a moral principle one is automatically recommending that it be imposed on anybody. Indeed, compelling people to act in accordance with sound moral principles is self-defeating if one's purpose is to promote morality among the people. As in religion, there is no compulsion in ethics.
11.26.2007 6:44am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):

Michael,

Good comment. Consider this formulation

1. No view may be imposed on others.

Since (1) is a 'view,' it follows that (1) may not be imposed on others. So (1) is an example of a self-vitiating proposition to use a term I employed in an earlier recent post. It is not self-refuting -- its truth does not entail its falsehood -- but it is self-weakening. But it is not clear to me that it involves a performative inconsistency as does

2. I am not thinking now.

The thoughr expressed by (2) cannot be performed or enacted consistently with (2)'s being true. But it doesn't follow that (2) is false or self-contradictory. Same with

3. I do not exist.

Any tokening of (3) is inconsistent with (3)'s truth; but it does not follow that (3) is false or self-contradictory.
11.26.2007 7:52am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
MP,

I agree with your response to Dave.
11.26.2007 8:25am