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To promote independent thought about ultimates. Philosophy, commentary on the passing scene, and whatever else turns my crank. Since 4 May 2004. By William F. Vallicella, Ph.D., Gold Canyon, Arizona, USA. Motto: "Study everything, join nothing." (Paul Brunton) Latin Motto: Omnia mea mecum porto. Turkish motto: Yol bilen kervana katilmaz. (He who knows the road does not join the caravan.) All material copyrighted.

A Right to Health Care?

Food, shelter, and clothing are more important than health care in that one can get along for substantial periods of time without health care services but one cannot survive for long without food, shelter, and clothing. Given this plain fact, why don’t the proponents of ‘free’ universal health care demand ‘free’ food, shelter, and clothing? In other words, if a citizen, just in virtue of being a citizen, has a right to health care, why doesn’t the same citizen have the right to what is more fundamental, namely, food, shelter, and clothing?

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Posted by William F. Vallicella on Wednesday September 19, 2007 at 1:38pm
The Deuce (mail) (www):
The idea of there being a "right" to universal health care is nonsensical. How can you have a right to something that can only exist in the presence of a sufficiently massive bureaucracy? Were people's basic rights to universal health care being denied for all those thousands of years that mankind has lived prior to the existence of a government bureaucracy massive enough to provide it? If it was being denied, then who or what was denying it? Nature? How can you have a basic right to something that doesn't exist by nature? It would be like complaining that my "right" to have blue eyes has been violated by being born with brown eyes, and that it's somebody's (presumably the government's, if I were a liberal) obligation to fix it.

I think that such whacko rights-talk on the Left is the result of them jettisoning the transcendent, and with it any possibly coherent or robust notion of a right (witness the equally nonsensical "right to choose", which is of course a double-talk euphemism for "right to kill your offspring any time up to delivery"). For members of the Left, "right" nowadays just means "something I think I deserve and really want the government to give me".
9.19.2007 2:58pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Yes, the tendency of liberals is to thoughtlessly use the language of rights without asking what rights are and where they come from.
9.19.2007 4:00pm
Bob Koepp (mail):
Guys - There certainly are many left-liberals who carry on about a right to healthcare in just the way you find so absurd and offensive. There are also some who would argue that a carefully circumscribed right to a basic level of healthcare can be justified as a reasonable accomodation to promote equality of opportunity. I see their point, even if I don't accept their statist "solution" to the problem of healthcare delivery.
9.19.2007 5:03pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Bob,

But how would you deliver this basic level of healthcare in a non-statist manner?

And more fundamentally, if there is a right to any sort of 'free' healthcare, why are there not rights to basic food, basic clothing, basic housing, basic transpo, etc.

There are market solutions to many of these problems.
9.19.2007 5:20pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
And let's not forget that with open borders these socialist schemes are doomed to fail. If you want socialized medicine then you must control the borders.
9.19.2007 5:23pm
Bob Koepp (mail):
First, a right to healthcare shouldn't be understood as an unencumbered right to free healthcare. Most of the time even basic healthcare should be provided as a service for which the consumer pays a fair price. Yet when circumstances do conspire to make it unrealistic to expect those in need of such care to pay the going rate, others of us in a position to provide assistance have a moral obligation to do what we can. I have no interest, though, in trying to fashion a political system that legislates this morality.
9.19.2007 8:36pm
Eric:
Two issues here. One on rights talk. The other on whether we should apply the 'just another commodity' to health care.

Should we not have publicly funded EMTs and ambulances help people in need, even if they don't have insurance? They provide public health care. It's a limited form of universal health care.

Assuming you do like ambulances and the like, that suggests there are some cases where you think publicly-funded health care is a good thing. The question for any sane (i.e., nonlibertarian, nonanarchist) person is where the line should be drawn. What health care services should be universal, and which should be treated as commodities. I'd be interested in reading your thoughts on this.

I agree that rights-talk is a bit tendentious, and is more a useful linguo-political weapon than anything.

Incidentally, it would indeed be strange to believe in health care rights but not the other more basic physical needs, but I'm unaware of anyone who holds such a position. That's what welfare is for. I guess you could be pro universal health care but against welfare, but we are talking about liberals, and we liberals are already pro-welfare.

Eric Thomson
9.19.2007 9:36pm
Bill Tingley (mail) (www):
Hi, Bill.

Well put. No argument from me. Also, it is perceptive of you to identify the camel nose under the tent when it comes to nationalized health care:


A government big enough and powerful enough to provide one with ‘free’ health care will be in an excellent position to demand ‘appropriate’ behavior from its citizens – and to enforce its demand.


Those demands are already being made and enforced in Europe and Canada. Indeed, we already see the arguments for controlling behavior to contain health care costs being made here in the U.S.

Regards, Bill T
9.20.2007 5:16am
Bob Koepp (mail):
Although I'm not a sane person, even I am aware that, as a matter of fact, everybody in the USofA has a legal right to receive emergency medical care if they can find their way to a hospital emergency room. EMTALA sees to that. Of course, medical emergencies could often be forstalled by the provision of basic care a bit earlier in the game, at a fraction of the cost. There's a mix of issues here ranging across the moral, political and economic landscape. Hardline positions are more often than not indicative of a lack of appreciation of at least some of this terrain.
9.20.2007 6:16am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Thanks for the comments, all.

There are many, many different issues here. No time now, but let me make one observation.

Suppose a non-tax-paying person without health insurance has the misfortune of being shot. He is brought to General Hospital where he receives treatment at taxpayer expense. Do I object to that? No. But that is not to say that the man has a moral right to the treatment. He may have a legal right, but a LR is not a MR.
9.20.2007 6:39pm
Bob Koepp (mail):
Nicely put, Bill. A moral claim on the compassion and charitability of others is misconceived. One can hope for it, but not command it.
9.20.2007 6:49pm