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To promote independent thought about ultimates. Philosophy, commentary on the passing scene, and whatever else turns my crank. Since 4 May 2004. By William F. Vallicella, Ph.D., Gold Canyon, Arizona, USA. Motto: "Study everything, join nothing." (Paul Brunton) Latin Motto: Omnia mea mecum porto. Turkish motto: Yol bilen kervana katilmaz. (He who knows the road does not join the caravan.) All material copyrighted.

Examples of What is Wrong with Wikipedia

I just now took a look at the Wikipedia article, Definitions of Philosophy. Here is one of the definitions:

"To grasp the limits of reason – only this is truly philosophy." — [[Friedrich Nietzsche]], The Antichrist (book), §55

I thought to myself: could Nietzsche have said this? So I pulled The Antichrist from the shelf, turned to section 55, and came to a place where Nietzsche is fulminating against Kant as he is wont to do:

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  1. Examples of What is Wrong with Wikipedia
  2. The Reliability of Wikipedia
Posted by William F. Vallicella on Saturday March 3, 2007 at 4:31pm
w_ockham (mail) (www):
Note this is not a Wikipedia article! Look at the URL.
3.4.2007 1:55am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
There's a lot of internal discussion about the whole thing here.

"At the moment the project is like an assembly line where the finished product keeps on getting put back onto the conveyor belt."
3.4.2007 4:26am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
In a rather amusing development, I have now been banned from Wikipedia, for calling this article puerile and inane. (Inane - empty or vacant, puerile - childish).
3.4.2007 11:49am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Ockham,

Thanks for the comments. Would you explain your first comment a bit? At the top of the page it says 'article.' There is some distinction I am missing; please explain.

We know what 'puerile' and 'inane' mean. And of course you are right. They need a separate site, Wikitrivia, to give it a name, for all the puerile and inane stuff some of which, of course, can be interesting even to serious people like me. I'be been known to watch Seinfeld reruns, and so this Festivus article is interesting to me. But does such ephemera belong in an encyclopedia?

Who has the power to ban you? Any jerkoff can tamper with any article, but someone has the power to ban you?
3.5.2007 9:49am
Tim:
I've occasionally corrected incoherent sentences, biased wordings, and errors of fact on Wikipedia pages, but I can't muster much enthusiasm for doing it when I know that the Yahoos will most likely come in after me and mess things up again.

It astonishes me how readily people will cite Wikipedia articles as authoritative sources in online debates. This is frightening.
3.5.2007 10:18am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
There is a necessary segregation of duties between 'admins' who police it, clear out vandals, and editors like myself. My ban subsequently was overturned, in fact.

On the 'article', what you linked to was 'Wikiquotes', which is a sister site. I have since removed that link.
3.5.2007 11:38am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Tim writes, "It astonishes me how readily people will cite Wikipedia articles as authoritative sources in online debates. This is frightening." Yes, but there is something worse: people who think 'I read it on the Internet' suffices to establish an opinion's credibility.
3.5.2007 6:21pm
w_ockham (mail) (www):
That said, the Darwinian nature of Wikipedia allows errors to be spotted, then corrected, in a way that the nature of standard encyclopedias and Google does not.

Google "entities should not be multiplied without necessity" without quotation marks. The first thing that comes up is the Wikipedia article on Occam's razor (which I did not write), which explains correctly that the principle that is frequently called "Ockham's razor" did not originate with him at all, but is earlier, and that the exact wording Googled is much later. The citation is a paper written in 1918 by William Thorburn, who exhaustively researched the origins of the principle.

The second thing that comes up, I am glad to say, is the Logic Museum article on Thorburn's paper. This contains Thorburn's paper itself (worth a read).

That shows you can sometimes trust Wikipedia, and can sometimes trust the Internet. Now if you consult most standard reference works (I checked quite a few) you find that 'Ockham's Razor' is incorrectly attributed, and Thorburn's paper not mentioned. As is practically every other article else you find on the internet with that search. However, Darwinian principles still apply. Suppose there are 100 articles containing the same myth. Then you find 1 article that cites primary sources, and also explains why the other sources are a myth (for example, it traces the source of the myth in some remark – Thorburn traces 'Ockham's Razor' to Hamilton. The 1 article beats a 100, despite the apparent numerical advantage.

Wikipedia is also the only encyclopedia I could find which correctly explains how Scotus died.
3.6.2007 1:15am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Ockham,

Your first point is excellent, and as I have said more than once, Wikipedia is a very interesting and worthwhile experiment. Your other points are also good.

The problem (or one problem) with Wikipedia is that one must already know the subject matter to be in a position to judge whether a particular entry is reliable. Not so with a reputable source like SEP: one can be pretty sure that everything one reads there is at least competent.
3.6.2007 7:28am
Keith (www):
w_ockham,

Pardon the interruption--and this is but a small matter--but after consulting (out of curiosity) Wikipedia's entry on Scotus, all I find concerning his death is this statement: "He died in Cologne and is buried in the Church of the Minorites in Cologne..... According to an old tradition, Scotus was buried alive following his lapse into a coma, for he was believed to be dead." One wonders, if Wikipedia is really the darling resource you'd have us believe, why no mention of the date of his death, 8 November 1308, is made (cf. Luke Wadding, Annales Minorum seu trium Ordinum a S. Francisco institutuorum, vol. 6 Ed. by Joseph Marie Fonseca ab Ebora. Ad Claras Aquas, 1931: "Deinde in eadem tabula post trigesimum quintum sequitur Reverendus Pater frater Joannes Scotus sacrae Theologiae professor, Doctor Subtilis nominatus, quondam Lector Coloniae, qui obiit anno MCCCVIII, VI Idus Novembris"). At any rate, Wikipedia's mention that "According to an old tradition, Scotus was buried alive..." hardly claims to correctly explain just how Scotus died; in fact, it seems to do little more than simply acknowledge a once popular myth. Perhaps your zealous defense of Wikipedia has you led to endorse (dogmatically?) a story that enjoys no historical evidence and is widely (and wisely) rejected by Scotus scholars and authorities (which ties back to Professor Vallicella's posts above...).
3.6.2007 8:17am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
Thank you for the information! If you have any references, do please edit them in (anyone can). Or leave something on My home page.

That is how it is meant to work. If people spot errors, they can correct them, and Darwinian forces of the type I mentioned work in one direction only. (But the Wiki is correct, isn't it, in mentioning that it is a tradition only?)

I am one of the most strident critics of WP on the inside. Outside, I try to point out that it has areas of strength, as well as weaknesses.
3.6.2007 9:46am
Tim:
Ockham,

You write:
Darwinian forces of the type I mentioned work in one direction only.
'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished! But the forces seem to me to work in two directions. People who have a strong misconception are often zealously willing to come in and spread their mistaken ideas in a forum that gives the last word to the latest editor. My own spot-checking of articles in areas of my expertise has not left me with a great deal of confidence in the self-correcting nature of the Wikipedia experiment.

Caveat lector.
3.6.2007 11:22am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
(a) which is your area?

(b) There are two problems with the Darwinian theory. One is when there isn't a large enough critical mass of experts. This is what happened in Philosophy, in particular. Maths I believe is better. Star Trek episodes is excellent. The second is when a large mass of cranks descends. Even then a small number of experts can beat the cranks - this is because experts easily recognise other experts, and defend each other. Cranks hate experts, but even more they hate other cranks.

There are terrible problems with cranks, nonetheless. Check out the talk page of Albert Einstein, e.g. Pages like 'Hitler' are now permanently locked down.
3.6.2007 11:44am
johnny-dee (mail) (www):
Did anyone hear about this? The wiki's credibility is not doing well.
3.7.2007 7:01am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
I found it difficult to get past the photo of Michelle Malkin. But, yes, it is a famous and bloody affair inside the citadel of Wiki.
3.7.2007 8:53am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
I checked out blog world and it is making quite an impact. However, if you look at the guy's edit trail for a month in 2006 (a great thing about Wiki is that everything you say is on the record) you say that practically everything he does is on 'talk pages'. I.e. he had a purely administrative function. So the deception consisted in his persuading other Wiki editors that he had the authority to settle disputes (not that academic credentials count in this disputes, rather a hindrance I have found), not in his passing off credentials to the outside world. By all accounts (check out his talk page after 1 March) he was an extremely popular administrator, who settled disputes well - a great talent.

A great shame. A good job no one ever questioned my PhD :-)
3.7.2007 9:40am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
johnny-dee,

Thanks for the link. I had mentioned this Essjay dude in the first post in this series.

Ockham,

I am afraid you are mistaken about Essjay. He did "pass of credentials to the outside world" as one can see from this New Yorker piece wherein we read:


One regular on the site is a user known as Essjay, who holds a Ph.D. in theology and a degree in canon law and has written or contributed to sixteen thousand entries. A tenured professor of religion at a private university . . .
3.7.2007 12:11pm
Tim:
Ockham,

Two of my specialties are epistemology and HPS. I checked out the articles on foundationalism, Copernicus, and Galileo and immediately spotted errors (not to mention less clear-cut problems like omissions and injudicious emphasis) in all three. This dampened any enthusiasm I might have had for the experiment; the Ryan Jordan affair has dampened it still further. Still, from my browsing I think you're right that the mathematics pages are on the whole of a higher standard than the philosophy pages.

Thorburn's paper is wonderful. Thank you for making it available online. There's a minor typo in your introduction: for "can says" put "can say."
3.7.2007 5:18pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
This, from the editor's note to the above linked New Yorker article, is also quite telling:


Jimmy Wales, the co-founder of Wikia and of Wikipedia, said of Essjay’s invented persona, “I regard it as a pseudonym and I don’t really have a problem with it.”


Well then, we should all have a problem with Wales and with Wikipedia.
3.7.2007 6:10pm
w_ockham (mail) (www):
I confess you're right, Bill. There is a good analysis of it here, which contains a link to a telling edit by essjay here (notice the bizarre reference to 'Catholicism for Dummies', and the misspelling of 'its', in " This is a text I often require for my students, and I would hang my own Ph.D. on it's credibility.". Not only a lie, but an ungrammatical lie.
3.8.2007 2:01am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
PS After a bit more delving into the Wikipedia and 'Open source' and the 'digital future' thing, I found that an old school friend of mine, now Prof. Richard Barbrook, has written acres of stuff on this. He wrote an influential and much-admired-on-the-net essay for Wired magazine, The Californian Ideology.

And now has a whole book about it, Imaginary Futures. Goodness. What is interesting is that at school, he was the conservative (defended the Vietnam War), and I wasn't (opposed it of course). Then it switched round some time in the university years. I'm not sure what he is now. The very frequent references to Chomsky suggest, but only suggest, left leanings. But then again, he was always of a libertarian turn of mind, and I wasn't.

The book is worth a read, I must say. It's not written in that dreadful style beloved of the Marxist school, and it has some interesting bits. But it's also 380 pages long.
3.9.2007 4:59am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
Mystery solved. In 'Wired' piece, Barbrook argues for a mixed economy. I like the idea that "Americans have always had state planning: only they call it the defence budget".


"One of the weirdest things about the rightwards drift of the Californian Ideology is that the West Coast itself is a creation of the mixed economy. Government dollars were used to build the irrigation systems, highways, schools, universities and other infrastructural projects which makes the good life possible in California. On top of these public subsidies, the West Coast hi-tech industrial complex has been feasting off the fattest pork barrel in history for decades. The US government has poured billions of tax dollars into buying planes, missiles, electronics and nuclear bombs from Californian companies. For those not blinded by 'free market' dogmas, it was obvious that the Americans have always had state planning: only they call it the defence budget [27]. At the same time, key elements of the West Coast's lifestyle come from its long tradition of cultural bohemianism. Although they were later commercialised, community media, 'new age' spiritualism, surfing, health food, recreational drugs, pop music and many other forms of cultural heterodoxy all emerged from the decidedly non-commercial scenes based around university campuses, artists' communities and rural communes. Without its d.i.y. culture, California's myths wouldn't have the global resonance which they have today."
3.9.2007 5:11am
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