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No Self? A Look at a Buddhist Argument

Published in International Philosophical Quarterly, vol. 24, no. 4, Issue 168 (December 2002), pp. 453-466. Copyright held by Foundation for International Philosophical Exchange. Pali diacriticals in the IPQ hardcopy did not survive conversion attempts. The IPQ pagination is provided in brackets. Thus, what immediately follows is [IPQ 453]. Numerals in brackets within the text refer to endnotes.

ABSTRACT: Central to Buddhist thought and practice is the anatta doctrine. In its unrestricted form, the doctrine amounts to the claim that nothing at all possesses self-nature. This article examines an early Buddhist argument for the doctrine. The argument, roughly, is that (i) if anything were a self, it would be both unchanging and self-determining; (ii) nothing has both of these properties; therefore, (iii) nothing is a self. The thesis of this article is that, despite the appearance of formal validity, the truth of (i) is inconsistent with the truth of (iii).

Posted by William F. Vallicella on Saturday February 23, 2008 at 5:01pm
johnt:
An old argument, that change is incompatible with identity, are you the same person at eight that you at eighty. or is the sapling the same as the mighty oak?
I suppose if you discount change as being intrinsic to nature it has an attraction, and not just to Buddhist monks.

As to self determination; while it doesn't work for rocks it has validity for humans, if not in total in sufficient degree to allow for a condition compatible with exogenous influences.

The Buddhist monks find the answers they look for, the ones they sought when starting out, again, not that they're alone.
2.24.2008 3:50am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
Phew that was very long. I copied into Word, and it weighs in at 15 pages. As it is the sort of thing that is best to print out and read at leisure, I shall do that. I did have a quick look through and there are some interesting arguments there. I also caught the name of HJH lurking at the end there.

My son is learning Sanskrit. It would be nice to think that one day there were bits of the Logic Museum devoted to parallel Sanskrit-English logical writings but probably not.
2.24.2008 4:27am
Bob Koepp (mail):
My ignorance of Buddhist intellectual traditions is showing. Perhaps someone more knowledgable can at least point me in the direction of relevant discussions...

I've often wondered whether the anatta doctrine needs to be relativized to the capacities of sentient creatures, so that what's being claimed is that nothing conceivable, and hence no intentional object capable of determining/representing the conditions of satisfaction for any desire, is permanent/incorruptible. In tandem with this speculation, I've wondered whether the refusal to posit any self-subsistent being is better understood as a refusal to provide the raw materials from which just another ill-fated desire can be constructed.

Any suggestions for further reading would be appreciated.
2.24.2008 10:20am
Thomas (www):
I would at least recommend to you one of the writings of Peter Harvey. He is extremely knowledgable, balanced, and writes well. See here for a brief list.
2.25.2008 12:04am
Bob Koepp (mail):
Thank you for pointing me toward Harvey's work, Thomas. What I'm really looking for, though, is some critical discussion of the anatta doctrine -- particularly a discussion which recognizes the possibility that it's not a straightforward ontological claim, so much as a piece of critical epistemology.

In other words, I'm wondering if any commentaries on the anatta doctrine take an approach similar to what we find in debates about scientific realism. These days, most of the debate is epistemological in character, about whether it is possible to justify belief in the entities and processes posited in scientific theories. Even those who claim that such belief cannot be justified usually don't endorse the metaphysical claim that there are no such entities; i.e., they remain agnostic.

So, what I'm trying to understand is whether the anatta doctrine should be interpreted in this more or less epistemological fashion. Is it based on the idea that nothing which sentient creatures could be capable of desiring could be abosulte/incorruptible? If so, then interpreting it as a ontological claim to the effect that there is no self-subsisting being might be going a step too far.
2.25.2008 7:34am
Thomas (www):
Ah, Bob, I misunderstood your inquiry... sorry. I get your point now (an interesting question!). I'm afraid I cannot help you there: hopefully Bill can.
2.25.2008 7:56am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Thomas,

I agree that Harvey is good on these topics. I have consulted his Selfless Mind.
2.25.2008 6:54pm
Bob Koepp (mail):
Thank you, gentlemen. I think Selfless Mind might be a good place to start.
2.25.2008 7:10pm
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