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To promote independent thought about ultimates. Philosophy, commentary on the passing scene, and whatever else turns my crank. Since 4 May 2004. By William F. Vallicella, Ph.D., Gold Canyon, Arizona, USA. Motto: "Study everything, join nothing." (Paul Brunton) Latin Motto: Omnia mea mecum porto. Turkish motto: Yol bilen kervana katilmaz. (He who knows the road does not join the caravan.) All material copyrighted.

Lawyers Dominate Congress

The Congress of the United States comprises the House of Representatives and the Senate. There are 435 Representatives and 100 Senators for a total of 535 members of Congress. According to this C-Span document, the 109th Congress included 228 members who hold law degrees and 217 members whose former occupation was in law. With the exception of former state legislators, lawyers were the dominant professional group.

I looked for, but did not find, data for the 110th Congress. But I would be surprised if the situation has changed much.

Posted by William F. Vallicella on Thursday January 4, 2007 at 6:53pm
Malcolm Pollack (mail) (www):
Hi Bill,

Well, given that the task of Congress is to write the nation's laws, I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.
1.4.2007 8:37pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Hi Malcolm,

Point taken, but I would like to see more engineers, scientists, and ordinary folk in Congress. Lawyers are excessively verbal and don't produce anything. Many of them are the modern-day equivalents of the Sophists of the ancient world. They'll argue anything for a buck. That's why, nowadays, we don't say, with Luther, "reason is a whore," but "reason is a lawyer." Every craft makes crooked, and legal training especially. And given the need of de-legislators, this is not a task one can expect lawyers to perform.

We are choking on a surfeit of Ls: too many laws, lawyers, and liberals.

Or am I exaggerating?
1.5.2007 7:09am
Bob Koepp (mail):
Talk about conflict of interest. The more laws on the books, the more "need" for lawyerly types. The more obscure and ill-formed a new law, the more "need" for lawyerly types. etc, etc
1.5.2007 7:24am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
That's part of what I am getting at, Bob. Plus: any hope for tort refrom in the present circumstances?
1.5.2007 8:50am
Malcolm Pollack (mail) (www):
Well, I quite agree with you both, although it may be naive to think that if commonsense folks were writing the laws that they would be able to anticipate the complexities that inevitably arise in real-world application.

But yes, it seems that a lot of the law's complexity is little more than job security for lawyers - put in by lawyers, to be parsed by lawyers - though I imagine a lawyer could prepare a closely argued rebuttal to such a folksy observation.

If there were some way to hold legislators' feet to the fire in terms of making the law as clear and simple as possible, progress might be made, I suppose, but what would such a law look like? We'd need a good team of lawyers to draw it up.
1.5.2007 10:25am
Bob Koepp (mail):
I doubt that a team of lawyers is the key to clarity. Granted, it wasn't a matter of drafting legislation, but some years ago, after observing a couple lawyers going back and forth (and back and forth) about the precise wording of a technology transfer agreement, in just a few minutes I rewrote the troublesome clauses relying on my philosopher's sense of good exposition. The lawyers had nothing left about which to wrangle.
1.5.2007 12:23pm
Malcolm Pollack (mail) (www):
Well, it was a tongue-in-cheek comment, really - I was talking about drawing up the law requiring laws to be clear and simple.

Law and philosophy would seem to have much in common, but the difference is that philosophers have other philosophers to keep them honest, whereas I am not so sure that's what lawyers do, exactly.
1.5.2007 12:51pm
Henry Verheggen:
Bill, another of your posts to which I will only comment "Don't get me started!" I think I mentioned my brother spent a few years as a senate staffer. Oh the horror stories.

A late happy new year to you.
1.5.2007 12:59pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Right back at you, Henry. We need more engineers in Congress!
1.5.2007 2:56pm
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