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Wielenberg on Dawkins on God's Explanatory Impotence

Erik Wielenberg sent me the following excerpt from a book in progress. I post it with his permission. The footnotes are not included and the formatting has been altered slightly. I have done some editing and have added hyperlinks. I have bolded two passages I find crucial. I make a comment on Wielenberg's excerpt in the Comments Area.

Posted by William F. Vallicella on Wednesday January 3, 2007 at 7:37pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Erik,

This is an impressive piece of work. Thank you for sending it to me. I found most interesting your claim that "the theist can evade Dawkins’ reasoning only by accepting the doctrine of divine simplicity . . . ." Now I myself have argued in support of divine simplicity (DS). My Stanford Encyclopedia article on the topic is here. But I wonder whether it is true that the ONLY way to turn aside Dawkin's argument is by the rather drastic move of accepting DS.

As I read Dawkins, his complaint is that invoking a complex God leaves unexplained organized complexity as such so that nothing is accomplished, explanatorily speaking, by bringing God into the picture. You quote Dawkins as saying that "intelligent design" will "turn out to be a redoubling of the problem."

It seems one could counter Dawkins by questioning the assumption that organized complexity as such is what needs explaining. As I wrote here:


Why should anyone accept that organized complexity as such needs explaining? A plausible principle is that, if x explains y, then x is not identical to y: Nothing explains itself. This is especially clear if the explanation is causal. For it seems self-evident that nothing can cause itself. (I interpret causa sui privatively, not positively: I take it to mean 'not caused by another' and not 'self-caused.') Now if nothing can explain itself, and if organized complexity is to be explained, then some of the organized complexity must remain unexplained, that portion residing in the ultimate explainer. It follows that one cannot reasonably demand that all organized complexity be explained. If this is right, then it is no objection to God to say that his complexity — assuming he is complex — has no explanation. For if one wants an ultimate explanation, then one must accept an entity whose own existence and complexity has no explanation in terms of something distinct from it.


If this is right, then one would not have to reach for a simple God to counter Dawkins -- a complex God would do.

Another concern is whether the DS as understood by Aquinas excludes all complexity or only some kinds of complexity. It does exclude any real distinction between form and matter, act and potency, essence and existence, and individual and attribute. But it is not clear to me that there could not be a rich complexity of mental operations in a purely spiritual being whose ontological simplicity was equivalent to its not being subject to the above four distinctions.
1.3.2007 7:12pm
Spur:
Bill is wise to single out the two statements in question. In the first, Wielenberg writes:

[Dawkins' argument] retains force in that the theist can evade Dawkins’ reasoning only by accepting the doctrine of divine simplicity, and accepting such a doctrine forces the theist to accept a rather mysterious ultimate explanation of the universe.

Wielenberg goes on to say that "The doctrine of divine simplicity implies that the immensely creative Mind in question is not only disembodied, but also devoid of logically distinguishable parts." I have two questions about this.

1. What is so mysterious about a thing that lacks parts? Many philosophers (Descartes, Leibniz, E.J. Lowe, many others) have believed that minds or thinking things are simple in this sense. Yet they see no great mystery here. Some argument is needed. I understand that some theists have built into their doctrines of divine simplicity bizarre claims such as that God's omnipotence is his omniscience, etc.--that is, that God is simple not just with respect to parts but also with respect to attributes. But that sort of claim, which I admit is mysterious, should be distinguished from the claim that God is merely a partless being.

2. Can the theist successfully evade Dawkins' reasoning if he accepts that God is without parts, but also holds that God is extremely complex in terms of having a variety of attributes? (God's attributes would not be parts, so there is no conflict here.)
1.3.2007 7:17pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Spur,

We need to clarify our use of 'part.' I take Erik to be using it in a very broad way to include logical and ontological parts. God has no spatial parts, and presumably no temporal parts either. (An eternal God has not temporal parts, for sure, and an everlasting God need not be construed as having temporal parts.) But on a constituent ontology, such as the ontology of Aquinas, attributes are ontological parts. Thus the attributes of Socrates are parts of him; they are not entities external to him to which he stands in an exemplification relation.

So what do you mean by 'part' and why do you contrast parts and attributes?
1.3.2007 7:33pm
Spur:
Bill,

A part of a thing, as I use the term, is something into which the thing can be divided. Thus attributes are not parts. I cannot recall ever having heard a philosopher call a thing's attributes or properties its parts. Does Aquinas ever do this? I would be surprised to learn that he does.

I do not understand the distinction between logical and ontological parts.

If Erik is using 'part' in the rather broad way you suggest, then I agree with him that divine simplicity, understood as the doctrine that God has no parts, is mysterious and unintelligible.
1.3.2007 8:20pm
Wielenberg (www):
Thanks for the comments. I'm trying to figure out if this section can be turned into something worthwhile, and I appreciate the help in thinking it through.

About simplicity --
I'm thinking of simplicity as having no (proper) parts. I'm assuming what I think Bill calls a "non-constituent" or "relational" ontology. So, I'm inclined to think that properties (attributes) are not parts, so being partless wouldn't entail being devoid of properties (or being identical to one's properties).

About the mysteriousness of simplicity --
The point I'm trying to press here (which I think is Hume's point) is not so much that divine simplicity itself is unintelligible or incoherent, but rather that appealing to a simple God as the ultimate explanation of the physical universe doesn't do much in the way of explaining. I have an intuitive notion of an explanation of x as a story or account that sheds light on where x came from (or why x is the case, or exists). The appeal to a simple God doesn't seem to shed much light -- here's a crude attempt to support this claim: Typically in the case of intentional explanation, much of the explanation lies in what's going on inside the agent. But I wonder whether any such story can be told in the case of a simple (partless) agent. For instance, could a partless mind contain ideas? (That's not a rhetorical question, by the way).

As I write this, it occurs to me that a similar objection is sometimes raised against the theory of agent-causation as a solution to the problem of free will; people sometimes complain that agent-causation theories fail to shed any light on the matter because they simply assume the existence of a not-further-analyzable agent that has the capacity to act freely. (Interestingly, I've never found this objection to agent-causation particularly compelling myself...)

About the possibility of a complex God --
Bill said: "[I]f nothing can explain itself, and if organized complexity is to be explained, then some of the organized complexity must remain unexplained, that portion residing in the ultimate explainer." But doesn't this line of reasoning simply assume the falsity of this proposition:

All organized complexity is ultimately explained by a simple entity.

If so, then I'm not sure that the principle that nothing can explain itself implies "that one cannot reasonably demand that all organized complexity be explained."

Further, both Dawkins' and Hume's discussions arise in the context of design arguments. The notion that organized complexity needs explanation seems to be a driving force in (many versions of) such arguments; if this notion is abandoned, wouldn't these sorts of arguments lose their force?
1.4.2007 4:57pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Spur writes, "I cannot recall ever having heard a philosopher call a thing's attributes or properties its parts."

But surely you have heard of bundle theories of ordinary particulars. On a bundle theory, a particular is a bundle of properties. Now there is a straightforward sense in which a bundle of Xs has Xs as its parts. So on a bundle theory, a particular has properties as parts, or ontological constituents, to use a fancy phrase.

Or consider a view like that of G. Bergmann according to which an ordinary particular has a bare particular as a constituent along with various universals as constituents. The bare particular and the universals are ontological parts of the ordinary particular.

And no doubt you are aware of trope theorists who hold that ordinary particulars are bundles of tropes. Tropes are properties. So there is a clear sense in which, for these theorists, properties are parts.

There are also trope theorists (C. B. Martin is one, and I think Peter Simons is another) who think of ordinary particulars as requiring a substratum. For these people, too, properties are parts.

So why do you have trouble with the idea of properties as parts? This is a familiar idea among constituent ontologists.

Aquinas is a constituent ontologist. Socrates' accidents are 'in' him, and so is his substantial form and his matter. Of course, I am not suggesting that this is wholly unproblematic; what I am saying is that it is not obviously mistaken or incoherent to think of properties as ontological parts of the things that have them.
1.4.2007 6:38pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Erik W. writes:


About simplicity --
I'm thinking of simplicity as having no (proper) parts. I'm assuming what I think Bill calls a "non-constituent" or "relational" ontology. So, I'm inclined to think that properties (attributes) are not parts, so being partless wouldn't entail being devoid of properties (or being identical to one's properties).


If you assume what I call a 'nonconstituent' and what Wolterstorff calls a 'relation' ontology, then I think you consign divine simplicity to incoherence from the outset. It then becomes liable to the criticisms made in Plantinga's Does God Have a Nature? Aquinas was a constituent ontologist, and only within such a framework can sense be attached to divine simplicity.

You raise the question whether

1. Nothing can explain itself

entails

2. One cannot reasonably demand that all organized complexity be explained.

I think you are right that this entailment fails. For it might be that organized complexity is explainable by a simple entity. But if we add the premise

1.5 All explanation is in terms of a complex explainer

then the entailment seems to go through. Why can't the theist say to Dawkins: We reject as unreasonable your demand that organized complexity as such be explained. What can be explained is the organized complexity of the physical world, and we theists explain it in terms of a being, God, who though complex is non-physical.

As Nagel points out in his review, Dawkins seems stupidly (malevolently?) to assume that God for theists is a physical being. If that were the case, then his argument would have merit. For it is clear that one cannot explain organized physical complexity as such by positing a complex physical being as explanans. But what is the problem with explaining organized physical complexity in terms of a complex spiritual being?

I'll have to think some more about this tomorrow.
1.4.2007 7:29pm
Spur:
Bill,

You are right about those who believe ordinary particulars are bundles of properties. I try not to pay attention to people who put forth such views, however.

If a person wants to say that properties are constituents of a thing, and that constituents are a kind of part, I will accept that for the sake of argument. But I don't see how adopting a constituent ontology helps with divine simplicity.
1.4.2007 7:58pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Spur,

Do you object more generally to the very idea that ordinary particulars have ontological constituents? Do you hold that ordinary particulars are ontologically simple or ontologically partless?

How does constituent ontology help with DS? That's a long story, for separate posts.
1.4.2007 8:24pm
Spur:
Bill,

I think ordinary particulars do have parts, and I'm happy to call these parts constituents. So I have nothing against the idea that ordinary particulars have constituents. (I don't know what work is being done by 'ontological' in the expression 'ontological constituents'. What would be a non-ontological constituent?)
1.5.2007 10:45am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Spur,

No doubt ordinary particulars have parts; spatiotemporal particulars have spatial parts, for example. And since these parts have being, you could call them 'ontological' if you wanted to. But that is not what I mean by 'ontological.' Armstrong's thick particulars have thin particulars and immanent universals as ontological parts in my jargon. If you will, they are metaphysical as opposed to physical parts in addition to their physical parts.

Not wholly clear, but clear enough.
1.5.2007 1:13pm
Matthew Flannagan (mail):
Bill

Dawkins argues that [1] God if he exists is the explanation of complexity and [2] God if he exists is complex. In answering this argument, the question is not how different metaphysicians understand complexity but rather what kind of complexity God is supposed to explain? Is God is complex in *that* sense?

I am inclined to think that here Dawkins commits the fallacy of equivocation. If one understands complexity in terms of ‘a being with attributes’ then the [1] seems to me to be false. The design argument is not invoked to explain *that* type of complexity. On the other hand, if one limits the denotation of ‘complexity’ to the types of things the argument is invoked to explain then God is not complex.

I doubt a Theist needs a very strong doctrine of simplicity to escape this argument. God needs only lack the type of complexity that the design arguments are supposed to explain.

Matt
1.17.2007 1:37am
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