Maverick Philosopher

Nihil philosophicum a me alienum puto

To promote independent thought about ultimates. Philosophy, commentary on the passing scene, and whatever else turns my crank. Since 4 May 2004. By William F. Vallicella, Ph.D., Gold Canyon, Arizona, USA. Motto: "Study everything, join nothing." (Paul Brunton) Latin Motto: Omnia mea mecum porto. Turkish motto: Yol bilen kervana katilmaz. (He who knows the road does not join the caravan.) All material copyrighted.

Logic Appraised

Logic is not to be denigrated, nor is it to be overestimated. It is an excellent vehicle for safe travel among concepts and propositions. It will save us from many an error and perhaps even lead us to a few truths. But it cannot move us beyond the plane of concepts and propositions. It aids safe passage from thought to thought, but cannot transport us to the source of thoughts, their thinker, the transcendental condition without which there would not be any thoughts.

Posted by William F. Vallicella on Saturday October 14, 2006 at 3:49pm
w_ockham (mail) (www):
But what on earth will move us beyond the plane of concepts and propositions? Give me an argument that takes me some place that logic will not get us. And what sort of argument would it be, after all?
10.15.2006 5:07am
Sam Graf:
I think the key phrase here is "their thinker," who is not (if I'm following along correctly) confined to the vehicle, nor to the plane of concepts and propositions.

I thought a little about what I imagine Bill to be thinking about here while reading Plato on Friendship.
10.15.2006 7:42am
emmanuel goldstein (mail) (www):
Maybe logic <i>can</i> take us outside the realm of concepts and propositions. After all, isn't logic <i>constitutive</i> of (at least some) thoughts? I mean constitutive in this sense: a thought, to be a thought, must be determinate. To be determinate, it must exclude some possibility. Logic is necessary to exclude possibilities in the relevant manner.
But if carving up thoughts in this way makes it possible for us to speak or think truly, then the world must be a certain way.
10.16.2006 9:58am
w_ockham (mail) (www):
The question was whether there are *arguments* that can take us places logic cannot take us.
10.16.2006 11:48am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
E.G.,

Welcome on board. Please note the toolbar above the ComBox. Click on 'I' to italicize. It should work.

'Outside' the realm of concepts-judgments-arguments is the realm of reality. And, as you seem to be suggesting, there must be some sort of isomorphism between thought and reality if thoughts (propositions) are to be true.

But starting within the realm of thoughts, can one show the existence of a transcendent realm of reality? Why can't truth be some sort of coherence?
10.16.2006 1:46pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Ockham writes:


But what on earth will move us beyond the plane of concepts and propositions? Give me an argument that takes me some place that logic will not get us.


Short answer: meditation. (Of course, I mean non-discursive meditation. The word is ambiguous.) Meditation is not an argument but rather the silencing of all discursive activities, including argumentation.

Still, I could give a transcendental argument which shows that, given that there are thoughts, there must be a condition of thoughts that that is not itself a thought. But not now.

One cannot argue for a thesis without arguing for it. I'm sure we'll agree about this. But there is no contradiction involved in arguing that that there is more to reality than concepts, judgments, arguments, chains of arguments, and that this reality is accessible only non-discursively.
10.16.2006 2:02pm
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