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To promote independent thought about ultimates. Philosophy, commentary on the passing scene, and whatever else turns my crank. Since 4 May 2004. By William F. Vallicella, Ph.D., Gold Canyon, Arizona, USA. Motto: "Study everything, join nothing." (Paul Brunton) Latin Motto: Omnia mea mecum porto. Turkish motto: Yol bilen kervana katilmaz. (He who knows the road does not join the caravan.) All material copyrighted.

Ducasse on Mind-Body Interaction, Conservation of Energy, and the Closure of the Physical Domain

A standard objection to interactionist substance dualism is that mind-body interaction violates the principle of the conservation of energy. In my opinion, anyone who finds this objection decisive is not thinking very hard. Let's consider what C. J. Ducasse once said on the topic:

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Posted by William F. Vallicella on Saturday November 5, 2005 at 4:09pm
Henry Verheggen:
Taking the physicalist side, it seems to me that we do have a qualitative (first-person) experience of energy expenditure. Aside from the sensations of physical extertions, we have feelings about the relative "hardness" of intellectual problems. For example, adding one-digit numbers in your head is "easier" than adding two-digit numbers, and that is in turn easier than adding three-digit numbers. And when you stop adding three-digit numbers in your head, there is a feeling of relaxation similar to the feeling when you stop physical exertion. Perhaps an even simpler example is the feeling of exertion you get when you meditate and try to stop thinking.

On the other hand, when inspiration comes, or when problems are solved in your sleep, there isn't this feeling of exertion. The Indian prodigy Ramanujan said that his mathematical theorems came to him in his dreams from the goddess Namagiri. (To get a flavor of the weirdness and complexity of these theorems check out the Wikipedia article.)

But to answer my own argument about feelings of energy expenditure, it seems that we still wind up back in the mystery of qualia, because the "feelings" are qualia. So how is it that intellectual exertion has a feel?
11.6.2005 4:52am
Malcolm Pollack (mail) (www):
Hi Henry,

Steve Pinker points out that we have a sense of intellectual difficulty when our brains are called upon to perform tasks that weren't specifically selected for in our long evolutionary history. To give an example, we effortlessly make the enormously intricate calculations needed for tossing a ball at a target, but struggle to multiply two three-digit numbers. Ramanujan's gift was almost unique in human history - plainly not an ordinary brain! Ramanujan was otherwise fairly normal, but it is interesting that "savants" - people who can multiply enormous numbers in their heads, tell whether numbers "feel" prime, perform amazing feats of memorization, and so forth - are so often mental cripples in other ways.

The brain is by far the most energy-greedy organ, and generates a great deal of heat as it does its work, just like powerful CPUs in computers that require big noisy fans to keep them from frying. Information theory tells us that there is an irreducible energy cost for any kind of physical information-processing; it appears the brain is doing plenty of it. For me this is another reason to doubt that the decision-making we do, which results in our bodily actions, is being performed by a causal mechanism that doesn't require energy transfer. Admittedly there might be a conventional causal mechanism mediating the change from brain state A to B, and also some simultaneous, overdetemining, dualistic causality at work as well, but that always seems to me to be desperately far-fetched, and kind of pointless as well. The only dualistic model that seems at all likely to me, although bleak, is epiphenomenalism.

But as has been made quite clear in here, there is no empirical way - not yet at least - to be sure.
11.6.2005 9:32am
Henry Verheggen:
Malcolm, I agree that thinking requires energy, since we can feel it, and probably also requires energy when we can't feel it. For me the problem has always been the qualia and the experiencer of the qualia. (Maybe a longer comment tomorrow.)
11.6.2005 7:53pm
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