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Questions About Religion and Superstition

Here are some questions that need to be asked. Eventually, I want to ask them in connection with the work of C. Brunner and M. Blondel.

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Posted by William F. Vallicella on Tuesday October 25, 2005 at 7:40pm
TomG (mail) (www):
"Well, what about the belief that the person represented will ward off danger and protect the believer from physical mishap? That belief too is arguably, though not obviously, superstitious.

To believe that God has an interest in, and the power to provide for, a person's protection is not superstitious, because of what is revealed Biblically about God's character and power. The causal connection you've mentioned here is certainly present if there is such a God. (One might argue there is no God, but that's a discussion on another topic, not about superstition.)

God has also revealed that one's belief fits somehow into the chain of his actions in one's life, which is why, as you said, an image employed just as a reminder of faith can have a non-superstitious function.

There is superstition, however, if it is believed that the mere presence of the plastic image will invoke the power and will of God. One could trace an imaginary causal connection (the image impresses God, so God responds by giving the image's owner special favors) but that's an infinity away from any theist's conception of God's character, so we can reject it.

Your point about the materialist's superstition is interesting and well-stated. Dennett's causal connections are as imaginary as the one I've suggested here.
10.26.2005 8:10am
Malcolm Pollack (mail) (www):
Hi Bill,

An excellent, thoughtful post. I was right with you all the way up to this bit:

...let us consider the materialist who ascribes to the grey stuff in our skulls the magical property of giving rise to consciousness, self-consciousness, conscience, and intentionality. Can we not tax such a materialist with superstition? Is he not ascribing magical powers to matter, powers that material objects cannot possess?...if we have no idea HOW brain activity could cause consciousness, then how is saying that it does differ from saying that the St. Christopher medal causes safe passage through the friendly skies?
To quote Travis Bickle, "You talkin' to me?"

To answer your question, here's one way it differs, and a very telling and important difference it is, too: tampering, altering, or interfering with my St. Christopher medal will have no impact on my chances for a safe landing, whereas doing the same to the activity of my brain will affect my consciousness, both objectively and subjectively, in conspicuous and increasingly predictable ways.

I do admit (again) that my confidence that the problem of consciousness will yield to scientific inquiry involves a bit of faith, but, I would say, so does the belief that it won't. Also, I am still curious to hear a more detailed account of the dualist model - all we physicalists ever seem to get from across the aisle is incoming fire. How about the objections I raised here?
10.26.2005 8:13am
Sam Graf:
Hi all,

I can see this is going to be interesting. Is scientism the de facto intellectual standard in the West? If it is, can religion in our neck of the woods extricate itself on intellectual grounds from the charge of being inherently superstitious?

This whole line of thought interests me in part because I've been thinking about what C.S. Lewis was driving at in his confrontation between Puddleglum and the Queen of Underland in The Silver Chair.
10.26.2005 8:56am
Celinda Stickles (mail) (www):
Great Post!

Tom,
"There is superstition, however, if it is believed that the mere presence of the plastic image will invoke the power and will of God. "

I think we have to go farther than this.

To me there is still some superstition in believing that God's love for me will cause him to prevent an auto accident. This is just backing the causal chain up one step. How much difference is there between believing the image will invoke the power and will of God and that our faith will invoke the power and will of God? Doesn't the very word invoke imply a superstition?

Suppose we are worried about the accident but are not actively trying to manipulate God into helping us. There is still a current of superstition even here. I am not conciously trying to manipulate God but unconsciously there is still an indication of a doubt of God's goodness. We still do not understand entirely how it is that God would help us, we do not fully understand the causal chain from God to us. Believing God prevented the auto accident would still contain a small elelment of 'magic' because of the seed of doubt contained within our faith.

To get out of superstition entirely we must move out of trusting God to prevent an auto accident and into a total trust in God's goodness completely independent of circumstances. Our focus,our awareness, not just our will must be totally out of ourself. God's goodness becomes a fact when we percieve the causal chain from God to us, His intention toward us, Himself. At this point belief is not superstitious anymore.

Of course this means that although the Christian ideal is not superstitious many of our acts are still superstitious.
10.26.2005 9:51am
Dave Gudeman (www):
Drat. Malcolm actually has a good point. Presumably we want some standards for use of the word "superstition"; we aren't just going to apply it indiscriminately to every belief we disagree with. In this area, there is a parallel between physicalism and belief in God: I don't think it is reasonable to apply "superstitious" to every person who believes in God, even if you are an athiest. The belief in God is (generally) not the kind of arbitrary, wish-fulfilling belief that we normally ascribe to superstition (in spite of what many athiests think). Similarly, the belief in physicalism is not that kind of arbitrary wish-fulfilling belief.

Once someone believes in a God who cares about what happens on Earth, it is perfectly to believe in a God who answers prayer, even if you can't give the details of how he does it. And once someone believes that everything is reducible to the physical, it is reasonable, for the reasons Malcolm gave, to believe that consciousness arises in the brain, even if he can't explain how it happens.
10.26.2005 10:30am
Thomas (mail):
Tom, Celinda,

some commentary ruminations (nothing more and nothing less):

I agree with Celinda - I'd say that God has something more important 'in mind' than literally (!) helping us with our daily affairs, even in the case of dying. As I see it, as a Christian, we lose loved ones, get involved in accidents, make it through divorces, etc. etc., just as much as non-Christians do. God is not making life any easier for us. God is instead giving us strength to deal with it, learn from it and see what really matters in the end. What that may be, we entrust to God. I believe receiving strength, insight and wisdom are much stronger indications and experiences of God than His helping us by avoiding an accident. God transcends human superstition.

I feel that prayer is too often seen as a questioning of God instead of a questioning of ourselves. The latter being, in my view, much more demanding - the former often leaning towards superstition. When critically questioning ourselves, we naturally cannot avoid probing deeply into the matter of Gods relation to us. Quoting Celinda therefore:

"God's goodness becomes a fact when we perceive the causal chain from God to us, His intention toward us, Himself. At this point belief is not superstitious anymore."
10.26.2005 12:05pm
Thomas (mail):
One addition: I'd say this all has much to do with how 'Personal' one thinks God to be. A too Personal (in the sense of anthropomorph) God might invoke more superstition than a more transcendental God (being still 'Personal' but then in the sense of being close to us, being involved in and with our whole person)

But this is leading towards other subjects...
10.26.2005 12:19pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
All: A very good set of comments.

Tom: Your response is reasonable, and touches on the difficult question of how to make sense of divine intervention in a natural world that one has reason to think is causally closed. It also touches on the question of petitionary prayer. Should one, in prayer, make mundane petitions? Should one pray to get a job, or be cured of an illness? Or should pray only for things like the ability to bear patiently one's mundane reversals such as losing a job and being diagnosed with cancer? I don't need to point out to you that the Pater Noster already contains this question in nuce: "Give us this day our daily bread" versus "Thy Will be done."

To add to the difficulty, the bread verse can be read spiritually rather than materially: give us the spiritual wherewithal to cope with life and get through it, employing material means to secure legitimate material ends, and not trying to use God to secure material advantage here below.

My tendency is to say that a purified religion does not make use of the divine to do mundane jobs that we ought to be doing ourselves, and that to think otherwise is to flirt with something like superstition. But I have no well-worked-out view.
10.26.2005 12:28pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Malcolm: Thanks. I expected you to jump on the last bit of the post, which I threw in as an afterthought, and which may not survive careful examination.

Wasn't Travis Bickle the character in "Taxi Driver"? Actually, I preferred The earlier Scorsese film, "Mean Streets." The Little Italy stuff, with the processions, ties directly into the superstition theme. Go down to Little Italy and eat a connoli for me.

But of course none of this is personal. You represent a position and it is that position that I am am addressing myself to, to avoid the word 'attacking.' You write:


. . . tampering, altering, or interfering with my St. Christopher medal will have no impact on my chances for a safe landing, whereas doing the same to the activity of my brain will affect my consciousness, both objectively and subjectively, in conspicuous and increasingly predictable ways.


You're right. So my analogy limps, at least on that one leg. (By the way, I liked your use of 'impact' above.) Still, the naturalist who claims that consciousness arises or emerges from brain activity is ascribing a power to a physical system unlike any power of any other physical system, and that smacks of magic. If I say to the nat'list: why are you so sure that cs. arises from the brain when we have no understanding of how that is even possible, and he says: It just does! then how is that different from saying that medals properly blessed with the right incanatations just have the power to prevent crashes and perhaps even secure a favorable hereafter?

Admittedly, there is something like faith on both sides of the aisle. And I hope to get to your objections. My problem is that I suffer from a fascination with two many different topics -- which is why I like blogging. I can spout off on anything.
10.26.2005 12:54pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Sam and Celinda:

Thanks. As for scientism, that is one of my critical targets and will continue to be. Scientism, not science. Scientism could be characterized as the philosophical, not scientific, doctrine that all genuine knowledge is scientific knowledge.

Does it not follow that the claim of scientism cannot claim to be knowledge?

Celinda's comment caught the drift of my post nicely.
10.26.2005 1:07pm
TomG (mail) (www):
Celinda, Thomas, Bill,

I agree, starting with Celinda's thought that we need to go farther to define the limits of superstition in our relationships with God. Bill, the whole matter of petitionary prayer is a knot to untangle, but the best approach I know of is to come to God as Father; to ask him anything at all but to be content with his will in answering. There is nothing superstitious in this. It certainly does not imply a direct cause-and-effect, magical outcome, as Celinda said, but it does lead to a developing personal relationship with God.

There's another piece of it, which is that God "knows our frame." Even if we don't pray correctly, as I'm sure is usually the case, he gives us grace as we trust him for it. Our fumbling attempts--even those with superstitious elements--become learning experiences as we develop relationship with him.
10.26.2005 1:14pm
Malcolm Pollack (mail) (www):
Hi Bill,
I can spout off on anything.
Aristotle was said to have been that way too. He would always give an answer to a question, even if it was something he had never even thought about before. I'm guilty too, I think. I've been interested in so many different things over my life that I can make up some plausible B.S. on almost any topic.

Little Italy is actually uptown from my office, but I'll nibble a cannolo for you next time I'm there.

Back to business. You wrote:
Still, the naturalist who claims that consciousness arises or emerges from brain activity is ascribing a power to a physical system unlike any power of any other physical system, and that smacks of magic. If I say to the nat'list: why are you so sure that cs. arises from the brain when we have no understanding of how that is even possible, and he says: It just does!then how is that different from saying that medals properly blessed with the right incanatations just have the power to prevent crashes and perhaps even secure a favorable hereafter?
You're right, we are "ascribing a power to a physical system unlike any power of any other physical system", but it is not just a random or idolatrous choice. First of all, the brain is not just any physical system, being far more complex than any other physical system that we know of (and inside our heads, to boot). Second, we didn't just settle on the brain by throwing darts at an open copy of Gray's Anatomy, we zeroed in on it experimentally (ex-peri-mentally, even, you might say), and having done so, are able to zoom in further, down to particular brain modules and even single neurons, to associate them with subjective mental phenomena.

The analogous process would be to study St. Christopher medals, remove parts of them, alter the incantations, wear them in different ways, etc. and observe repeatable effects on airline safety. Not likely to happen.

Also, the naturalist can turn right back around and say:

"We have studied the brain intensivley for a while now, with ever-more-powerful tools. It is such a deucedly complex thing that we are a long way from knowing in full what it does and how, but we do know that our consciousness is affected very directly, in increasingly predictable ways, by tampering with it, and that subjective reports of conscious states seem consistently to correspond with patterns of excitation in particular brain modules. How do you know, ye anti-naturalist, that creating consciousness is NOT what the brain is doing, in some way that we just haven't figured out yet?"

And of course the dualist says:

"It just isn't!"

M
10.26.2005 2:23pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Tom Gilson:

Are you operating with a fixed definition of 'superstition'? What I am trying to do is figure out what superstition is, and what religion is, and what the difference between the two is. So I am not assuming any theory of superstition. (He wrote as he gazed out the window at Supersition Mt.)

One thing I am pretty sure about: religion is not just superstition.
10.26.2005 2:48pm
Henry Verheggen:
I am stuck back on your logically prior questions:

What is religion?
What is superstition?

I would add a third: What are we to make of the vast amount of human testimony about supernatural phenomena? There are many possible answers to this question, for example:

1. The phenomena are not objective and entirely the product of the human imagination.
2. The phenomena are not objective, but arise from a flawed interpretation of real but unusual psychological states.
3. The phenomena are objective, but wrongly interpreted as supernatural.
4. The phenomena are objective and really supernatural.
5. Some mix of the above.
Etc.

To give a Halloween-ish example, a common practice among the folk religions was to appease the spirits of the dead by leaving offerings. The empirical basis for this folk belief was perhaps that people tended to see ghosts. (They still do around these parts of old Virginia.) Let's hypothesize along the lines of (2) that this phenomenon is explained by people misinterpreting some sort of unusual visionary experience.

So it could be false that ghosts are appearing to people. But it would not necessarily be false that there are appearances that people see as ghosts. Under these apparently universally occurring circumstances, it is not surprising that a "superstitious" custom of appeasing ghosts would arise. We might even think that the custom is based on a logical inference from the experiences. So before we can make a judgment about whether something is superstitious in a negative sense, it seems to me we would have to have a high degree of intimate knowledge of the phenomenology behind it.

Of course, if it turns out that an in-depth study of supernatural phenomena results in our not being able to rule out possibilities (3) or (4), it becomes a lot more difficult to dismiss superstition a priori.
10.26.2005 3:09pm
Dave Gudeman (www):
Here is a related question, Henry. What does "supernatural" mean? Consider the situation of the movie Ghostbusters, where they found out that ghosts are real and that they could use special kinds of gizmos to catch and contain ghosts.

In this scenario, don't ghosts become a part of nature? They may not follow the laws of physics as we know them, but they do follow some sort of natural laws, and those law that they follow do interact in a predictable way with the laws of physics.

What is supernatural about ghosts in this circumstance? Even if they are some sort of remnant of dead people?
10.26.2005 5:03pm
Henry Verheggen:
Agreed, there should be no ultimate distinction between natural and supernatural, since all phenomena are a part of nature. But I think the term captures what sort of phenomena I was referring to -- those sorts of things that both superstition and religion seem to be concerned with, and which may be the empirical basis for both.

Going back to Bill's logically prior questions, one possible distinguishing feature of some kinds of superstition is that they are remnants of an earlier religion. The interesting thing about that is that these beliefs can be used as bits of evidence for reconstructing what the earlier religion was like.
10.26.2005 6:27pm
Malcolm Pollack (mail) (www):
I agree, Henry - I also thought the distinction hadn't been made clearly enough.

How about this - superstitions might be defined as beliefs that:

1) constrain our behaviour
2) do so in order to accommodate a feature of the world, often supernatural, that acts as either a malevolent or beneficent agent
3) are not joined into complex religious doctrines

That seems to catch some of the flavor that the word has for me.
10.26.2005 9:39pm
Henry Verheggen:
Malcolm,
Your definition captures the kind of superstition I was thinking of, as in taboos. I think the reason for your (3) is that the taboos descend from an earlier religion, so they have no obvious connection to the current religious culture. But in an earlier time they would have been a part of the rules of that earlier religion.

The rationale for many taboos seems to have been a widespread notion of unlike things being invisibly connected through metaphorical or symbolic association. So unless you are keyed in to the symbol system, the taboo might seem seem bizarre and irrational.

An early representation of invisible connections is the 20,000 year old Venus of Laussel. It seems to depict a connection between the 13 "moons" of the year with the cycles of the female body. If so, it is a most ingenious representation, since we can read it 20,000 years later.
10.27.2005 5:23am
Malcolm Pollack (mail) (www):
Right - that would be a good 4): they involve some sort of symbol or symbolic gesture.
10.27.2005 7:59am
Dave Gudeman (www):
When I think of superstition, I usually think of causal theories: when you break a mirror, it gives you seven years of bad luck, knocking on wood is good luck, a rabbit's foot is good luck, etc.

So I propose the following definition of superstition: A superstition is a theory of cause and effect that has no empirical evidence and is not based on any rational paradigm. For example, thinking that women's periods are caused by the moon is not a superstition because there is some empirical evidence. Similarly, a theory that God punishes sin and rewards virtue is not superstition because, although there is no empirical evidence behind it, there is a rational underlying paradigm.

For examples from science: it was once considered superstitious to believe that there was a link between the tides and the moon, but it wasn't superstitious because there was some empirical evidence behind it (and now everyone agrees that the moon causes the tides). When Einstein proposed his theory of relativity, it was immediately accepted by many physicist even though there was no real evidence for it, on the grounds that it satisfied the paradigm of a unified physics (unifying Maxwell's equations and Newton's equations).

On the other hand, if you believe that by not watching your favorite team play, you are helping them to win, you have no empirical evidence to back this up, and there is no rational paradigm underlying it. (I suppose one could construct such a rational paradigm, but the person who refuses to watch his team during the playoffs is not relying on such a rational paradigm).
10.28.2005 12:52am
Henry Verheggen:
Dave, this seems to be a good working definition of superstition. My proposal is that we ask why these irrational ideas arose in the first place, and that they may not appear quite so irrational within their original religious context. Or, perhaps they are instances of a dumbing-down or popularization of originally more philosophical doctrines. Your examples involving luck are quite relevant. What the heck is luck? WHere did this idea come from? Pre-Christian Europe seems to have been much obsessed with this idea and it seems to be related to the Greek idea of destiny or fate.
10.28.2005 3:28am
Malcolm Pollack (mail) (www):
I like your definition also, Dave. Cause and effect, and lack of solid evidence, are central to the idea. Merriam-Webster has:

1 a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation.


We could parse out some logical weaknesses in M-W's definition, and I think yours is more on target.
10.28.2005 8:35am
Malcolm Pollack (mail) (www):
Often there is a known back-story, as Henry suggests. For example the practice of knocking on wood is said to have originated with the animist Druids, who believed trees were inhabited by beneficent spirits. There is a great deal of material on the Internet, much of it contradictory, about the origins of common superstitions. I'm sure a good deal of them are vestigial remnants of what were at one time much more comprehensive religious or cultural systems.
10.28.2005 8:44am
Barrett Pashak (mail) (www):
In Brunner's typology of human thought (schematised here), religious thought is an analogon (imitative distortion) of authentic spiritual thought. He argues that Judaism consists of a prophetic, anti-religious core that is distorted in priestly/pharisaic/rabbinic Judaism. He argues that Christ is the highest exemplar of the anti-religious, prophetic core of Judaism. He states (Our Christ, p. 374, available here):


If Christianity is to become what it wants to be, it must renounce the desire to know anything that pure Judaism in Christ neither knows nor wishes to know: it must renounce symbols, dogmas, articles of faith, liturgy, worship; it must want to know nothing of creation, the Fall, redemption and justification, heaven and hell, the incarnation of God, the Three Persons of the Godhead, the single Personality of God; it must not hold on to a single item of religion's superstition. If Christianity is to come about, Christ must be the Master, revealing to the heathen that they are but men (Ps. 9:21).
10.28.2005 8:45am
Dave Gudeman (www):
Malcolm and Henry: I wasn't aware that so many superstitions had decended from religious practices, but that seems to fit nicely with my definition. Namely, back when knocking on wood was justified by some come religious views, it wasn't a superstition. But once the religion was lost, then it became a superstition.

Pashak: it sounds to me like Brunner is equivocating on the meaning of "relgion" in order to seem to say something profound when he is realy saying something quite mundane. It is blatantly obvious that both Judaism and Christianity oppose other relgions; however that isn't the same as opposing Religion. And the idea that Christianity has taken on too much of other relgions is an idea that goes back to the Reformation.

And Brunner is being downright dishonest in suggesting that pure Christianity neither knows nor wants to know about faith, worship, redemption, heaven, and the incarnation of God. Those things, at least, were directly taught by Christ. It is just silly to suggest that a follower of Christ should not believe them.
10.28.2005 10:58am
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Barrett,

Thanks for dropping by. I will post something on Brunner before too long. He is obviously relevant to this discussion. You can tell mne whether I've understood him.
10.28.2005 1:52pm
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