Classical theists hold that God created the world ex nihilo, out of nothing. This phrase of course carries a privative, not a positive, sense: it means not out of something as opposed to out of something called ‘nothing.’ This much is crystal clear. Less clear is how creation ex nihilo (CEN), comports, if it does comport, with the following principle:
ENN: Ex nihilo nihil fit.
The latter principle -- Nothing comes from nothing -- seems intuitively obvious. It is not a truth of logic -- since its negation is not self-contradictory -- but it does appear to be a truth of metaphysics, indeed, a necessary truth of metaphysics. But if (ENN) is true, how can (CEN) be true? How can God create out of nothing if it is necessarily true that nothing can come from nothing?
It would also be unavailing to say that God, being omnipotent, can do anything, including making something come out of nothing. For omnipotence, rightly understood, does not imply that God can do absolutely anything, but that God can do anything that any possible agent could possibly do. But there are limits on what is possible. For one thing, logic limits possibility, and so limits divine power: not even God can make a contradiction true. There are also extra-logical limits on divine power: God cannot restore a virgin, to borrow an example from Aquinas via Peter Geach. There are past events which possess a necessitas per accidens that puts them beyond the reach of the divine will. Nor can God violate (ENN), given that it is necessarily true. God is subject to necessary truths. Some may see a problem with that, but I don’t. Necessary truths, like all truths, are accusatives of the divine intellect and so cannot exist unless the divine intellect exists. The divine intellect limits the divine will.
Note also that theists need the necessary truth of (ENN) in order to oppose atheists who could argue that the universe simply sprang into existence at the time of the Big Bang without cause.
So the problem remains: How can God create the world out of nothing if nothing can come from nothing? How can we reconcile (CEN) with (ENN)?
My response to the problem is to say that (CEN), properly understood, states that God creates out of nothing distinct from himself. Thus he does not operate upon any pre-given matter, nor, as some passages in Aquinas imply, bestow existence on pre-given essences. But this formulation allows that, in some sense, God creates ex Deo, out of God. Creating the world out of himself, God creates the world out of nothing distinct from himself. In this way, (CEN) and (ENN) are rendered compatible.
In sum, ‘Creatio ex nihilo’ is ambiguous. It could mean that God creates out of nothing, period, in which case (CEN) collides with (ENN), or it could mean that God creates out of nothing ultimately distinct from himself. My proposal is that the Latin phrase be construed in the second of these ways. So construed, it has the sense of ‘creatio ex Deo.’ My thesis, then, is that creatio ex nihilo = creation ex Deo.
But what exactly does it mean to say that God creates out of God? When I say that God creates ex Deo what I mean is that God operates on entities that are not external to God in the sense of having existence whether or not God exists. I build a rock cairn to mark the trail by piling up otherwise scattered rocks. These rocks exist whether or not I do. My creation of the cairn is therefore not ex nihilo in either of the senses lately distinguished, but out of materials external to me. If God created in that way he would not be God as classically conceived, but a Platonic demiurge.
So I say that God creates out of ‘materials’ internal to him in the sense that their existence depends on God’s existence and are therefore in this precise sense internal to him. (I hope it is self-evident that materials need not be made out of physical matter.) In this sense, God creates ex Deo rather than out of materials that are provided from without. It should be obvious that God, a candidate for the status of an absolute, cannot have anything ‘outside him.’
How might this work?
Suppose properties are concepts in the divine mind. Then properties are necessary beings in that they exist in all metaphysically possible worlds just as God does. The difference, however, is that properties have their necessity from another, namely God, while God has his necessity from himself. (This distinction is in Aquinas.) Suppose that properties are the ‘materials’ or ontological constituents out of which concrete contingent individuals – thick particulars in Armstrong’s parlance – are constructed. (This diverges somewhat from what I say in A Paradigm Theory of Existence (Kluwer 2002), but no matter: it is a simplification for didactic purposes.) We can then say that the existence of contingent individual C is just the unity or contingent togetherness of C’s ontological constituents. C exists if and only if C’s constituents are unified. Creating is then unifying. Since the constituents are necessary beings, they are uncreated. But since their necessity derives from God, they are not independent of God. If, per impossibile, God were not to exist, the ontological materials, though necessary in the sense of existing in all metaphysically possible worlds, would not exist either.
In this sense, God creates out of himself: he creates out of materials that are internal to his own mental life. It is ANALOGOUS to the way we create objects of imagination. (I am not saying that God creates the world by imagining it.) When I construct an object in imagination, I operate upon materials that I myself provide. Thus I create a purple right triangle by combining the concept of being purple with the concept of being a right triangle. I can go on to create a purple cone by rotating the triangle though 360 degrees on the y-axis. The object imagined is wholly dependent on me the imaginer: if I leave off imagining it, it ceases to exist. I am the cause of its beginning to exist as well as the cause of its continuing to exist moment by moment. But the object imagined, as my intentional object, is other than me just as the creature is other than God. The creature is other than God while being wholly dependent on God just as the object imagined is other than me while being wholly dependent on me.
Can this proposal steer clear of an objectionable form of pantheism? Obviously, the distinction between God and the created world must be upheld. The former is not the latter, and the latter is not the former. So they are distinct. But if two things are distinct, it does not follow that each can exist without the other. God can exist without the created world, but the created world cannot exist without God. The world depends on God for both its essence and its existence at every moment.
It is obvious, then, that the manifest plurality of the world, the difference of things from one another and from God, must be maintained. We cannot allow a pantheism according to which God just is the world, nor one on which God swallows up the plural world and its plurality with it.
Ontological dependence is not identity and we have a model for this in the relation of intentional objects to consciousness. An object imagined is totally dependent in its existence on my acts of imagining. After all, I excogitated it: in plain Anglo-Saxon, I thought it up, or out. This excogitatum, to give it a name, is wholly dependent on my cogitationes and on the ego ‘behind’ these cogitationes if there is an ego ‘behind’ them. (Compare Sartre’s critique of Husserl on this score in the former’s Transcendence of the Ego.) But this dependence is entirely consistent with the excogitatum’s being distinct both from me qua ego, and from the intentional acts or cogitationes emanating from the ego and directed upon the excogitatum. To press some Husserlian jargon into service, the object imagined ist kein reeller Inhalt, it is not "really contained" in the act. The object imagined is neither immanent in the act, nor utterly transcendent of the act: it is a transcendence in immanence. It is ‘constituted’ as a transcendence in immanence.
That total ontological dependence of y on x does not entail that x = y is also clear from more mundane examples, examples that I would not use to explain the relation between creator and creature. Consider a wrinkle W in a carpet C. W is distinct from C. This is proven by the fact that they differ property-wise: the wrinkle is located in the Northeast corner of the carpet, but the carpet is not located in the Northeast corner of the carpet. (The principle here is the Indiscernibility of Identicals.) But W is wholly (totally) dependent on C. A wrinkle in a carpet cannot exist without a carpet; indeed, it cannot exist apart from the very carpet of which it is the wrinkle. Thus W cannot ‘migrate’ from carpet C to carpet D. Not only is W dependent for its existence on C, but W is dependent on C for its nature (whatness, quiddity). For W just is a certain modification of the carpet, and the whole truth about W can be told in C-terms. So W is totally dependent on C.
Here again we see that total ontological dependence does not entail identity. Thus is pantheism avoided. Although God creates out of himself, what he creates is distinct from himself.
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Would it be correct to say that this means God sustains evil wherever evil occurs, assuming evil to be a subset of "the created world"?
Kevin
Obviously, the subtext of my question relates to philosophers and scriptural hermeneutics: are certain philosophers ignoring parts of scripture to make their God-constructs, or are they making every effort to create God-constructs (or discover God) in ways that are consistent with scripture?
Abstracting this another level: what is the boundary, if any, between philosophy and theology?
Kevin
1. A clarification of the word "sustains" in my first comment: What I'm asking is whether it's correct to infer from your statement that evil ultimately depends on God from moment to moment for its existence, since I'd assume evil to be a subset of "the created world."
2. A correction to my second comment: I wrote, "Or do theologians presume that God created tohu va vohu ex nihilo..." What I meant was philosophers, not theologians. My question about the theo/philo boundary remains, though.
Kevin
Good job, Bill! As far as I can tell, this is pretty close to being correct.
I am prepared to agree, btw, that God, in effect, is actively sustaining evil--keeping in mind that, insofar as the evil is being done by derivative act-ers, God is not _doing_ the evil. To be more precise, then, God is sustaining the _persons_, and not simply abrogating the results of their choices (or not altogether anyway).
This means God shares some responsibility for our sins--not because He enacts or approves of them, but because He allows us to abuse His grace (and so abuse ourselves and other people).
So, must He pay for our sins in some way, or not? And if so, then in what sense(s) does this mean? (I know what _I_ think the crucial answer is, so to speak... {g})
I think God also has a responsibility to set things right, repairing the breaches He allows. (I'm a positive aseitist, though; privative aseitists tend to differ on this... {wry g})
Regarding Gen 1:1--this is a very curious verse. The second word, 'bara', certainly means to create; but it is _not_ the same as the word usually used in this chapter for making. The only other two uses of it in the chapter, are regarding the animals (at least the 'sea monsters' and birds and creeping things from v21), and the humans. (Notably _not_ the word used for the forming of these from the earth, however, in Genesis 2.)
Is the author (who for this chapter, as sometimes elsewhere in the Torah, refers to God as the singular group Elohim {g!}) simply being diverse in his use of words, to avoid literary staleness? (Quite possible, so far as I know. {shrug})
Or is he trying to tell us something important about the link between God's creation of 'heaven and earth' and His creation of living (non-plant) creatures? (The animals and humans are also referred to as being made and formed by God, not just bara'ed. Indeed the difference between two days, as far as animals go, is that the later Day involves only forming, while the earlier Day involves bara, too.)
In any case, the word is never used (in the OT at least) in regard to any other act-er than God (the subject of the verb, grammatically). The objects of this action of God are reported in various places to include: Israel, "a new thing" (Jeremiah prophecy 31:22), cloud and smoke, north and south, salvation and righteousness, speech, darkness, wind, and a new heart. (Some of this usage is definitely poetic, of course; by several different authors across the OT. Isaiah uses the word the most, in the 2nd 'half' of that book; which also contain almost half the OT uses. Isaiah 45:18 is interesting as being practically a collection of such words regarding the Lord and heaven and earth.)
The _first_ word, however, is even more curious ('bereshit'). This is what is normally translated "In the _beginning_". It's derived from the word for 'head', and is used (as reshit) to mark a particular beginning of time. 'Be', however, could mean a point of departure: _from_ the beginning, God creates the heaven and the earth. (Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets. 'Bara' is just 'bara', btw, not a cognate like bereshit. Whatever it is, it doesn't seem to be past tense. I suspect it means continuing action.)
Ready for things to get really odd? {g} In the NT, one common word for referring to the beginning of history, is 'the downcasting' (katabole)--physiologically, it refers to the discharge of seed from testes (or eggs from ovaries). In the NT, the use always involve a primeval point of historical beginning (probably natural creation itself, though per some commentators maybe the Fall); and is divided into uses of _before_ or _from/since_ the disruption.
All of which probably means: "something really powerful and joyous and creative happened, and Elohim caused it." {g} (And may still be causing it...)
As for myself, I think theology is a particular sort of philosophy--carry metaphysics far enough, and you're reasoning (with the Logos) about ho Theos. (Though one doesn't have to develop philosophy to that point, before reasoning about God, of course. I think it can help, in some important ways, however. {s})
And I don't think it's entirely fair to ask whether philosophers (per se), in trying to draw conclusions about creation (they shouldn't be simply _presuming_ them in any case--nor should theologians as such {s}), are simply 'ignoring' parts of scripture; whether the scriptures being so 'ignored' are the OT, the NT, the Koran, the various Mormon scriptures, the Upunishads, the Bhaghad Gavita, etc. If we are to accept a scripture as being authoritative, we should first have good reasons to believe it is speaking authoritatively (or at the very least as being trustworthy beyond where we can verify it immediately.)
Now, of course, any given philosopher may have certain scriptures (from wherever) in mind that he's intentionally trying to go against; but that's a whole different thing (and not, I think, what Bill's trying to do. He's trying to avoid begging questions--while being respectful, I think, of our scriptures.)
Jason
I think it's perfectly fair to ask, because I honestly don't know. It would be unfair, however, to accuse-- which I'm not doing.
Kevin
Concerning evil, I don't think it's quite right to say that God sustains the existence of evil, since evil is not a feature of the universe. It is a privation of a feature, viz., good. Maybe this is too simplistic. But does God sustain shadows?
That reminds me of a joke. I once attended a dinner and was seated across from an elderly gentleman who was a casual acquaintance. I knew he had been to the restroom so I asked where it was. He indicated the direction but added: "It says'gentlemen' on the door, but go in anyway." Actually, it said no such thing on the door: we were in a hotel in Ankara, Turkey.
Kevin asks whether if God sustains everything he creates he sustains evil. In a sense yes: by sustaining free agents who commit evil, he sustains beings without whom there would not be certain evils. No doubt evil is a problem for the theist. But it is also a problem for the atheist who must explain how life can be worth living suffused as it is with natural and moral evil.
As to Kevin's second question, the philosopher has to satisfy the exigencies of reason and so is free to discard elements of scripture that make no sense or interpret them in some nonliteral way. For example, creation could not have taken six days since creation is the creation of the whole space-time-matter nexus.
Steve writes, "I wonder if there is a difference between the creation of an individual as opposted to an individual world. . ." Yes, I would make some such distinction. God makes one of the possible worlds actual, but within the actual world individuals arise by natural processes. I don't see why theism and the theory of evolution are incompatible But there are a lot of tricky issues here.
Jason, thanks for the detailed comments. I am not up to speed on Biblical exegesis, but I urge you to develop your implicit Christology: God must enter the world in order to redeem it from the evil that in some sense he allows to occur -- if that is what you were suggesting.
If God exists and reveals himself to man, then you've got an impeccable transmitter, a crappy receiver and an unfavorable signal-to-noise ratio. This is why I can't take too seriously the letter of the Bible -- and which Bible by the way? To arrive at a canonical scripture requires philosophical decisions.
Athens and Jerusalem -- therein lies the tension and the problem. How can the the impersonal Absolute be a person?
Yes, I was about to bring up the privatio boni (privation of good) point from Aquinas. Unfortunately, evil seems to be a positive reality in a malevolent will, for example. But also in extreme pain.
As for your first point, are you saying that ENN and CEN are compatible even without my interpretation of creatio ex nihilo as creatio ex Deo?
And, yes, I think ENN and CEN may be compatible even without your skillful solution. Are we reading too much into ENN, stretching it to do work it wasn't intended to do? I think ENN needs more definition so that we know exactly what it is asserting. If it could simply mean, "if nothing exists (not even God), then nothing could come into existence, given the previous state of nothingness." God creates ex nihilo, not in the sense of absolute nothingness (since God is present), but rather in the sense that nothing other than God was present.
Your theory about how God did this is quite interesting, though.
Bill: that about depletes my exegetical skill of the verses in question. {g}
The Christological implications can be developed independently of scriptural authority; but I find there is evidence in the scriptures particular to the NT canon, that they're describing the event I would be expecting to be historically enacted anyway (whereas other scriptures are not fitting the metaphysic). Consequently, I'm prepared to attend to them (the OT collection fitting in as well, in its own way) and respect them as the works of 'authorized' people, so to speak, (or reporting those works, etc.)
Even so, I find them to be more suggestive (even when making definite statements) than systematic. I think an attempt to derive true systematic theology strictly from scriptural authority is impossible, for various reasons.
(The tacit and even sometimes explicit circular justifications endemic to 'systematic theologies', especially ones attempting to be completely scripturally based, don't help improve my opinion about this any. {wry g})
You're right about the process of canon selection--certainly insofar as we're in a position now to consider which scriptures to attend to. (The original process was more a consideration of weighing valid historical links: how many congregations had been using which scriptures the longest, etc. But behind that there had to be philosophic considerations, too, e.g. works closer to the event in question should be trusted above works which cannot be traced back as far.)
I agree that the evident situation of impeccable transmitter, crappy receiver, and unfavorable noise-to-signal ratio, all should be accounted for in any such theory--with implications to be inferred and developed therefore (therefrom? {g}) to various conclusions.
If we conclude (or even merely propose, although we shouldn't only be merely proposing it) that the IF is intrinsically intentively active, then we've pretty much already abandoned the position that the Absolute is _im_-personal. If we conclude that the Absolute _must_ be impersonal, then we're basically concluding atheism.
Since I don't conclude the Absolute to be impersonal (i.e. I conclude instead that not-atheism must be true), I don't have any problem with the notion that the Absolute may act as a person (even though the IF must also be _more_ than 'a person'--certainly moreso than the derivative persons we find ourselves and others around us to be).
Anyway, trying to reconcile _those_ two particular strands of Athens and Jerusalem (so to speak), I consider to be a losing game (the history of the Stoics being an excellent example--and scholastic attempts from Aquinas et al nothwithstanding.)
Which is why one of the first things that must be decided about the IF, is: active? or not?
Which in turn, along with dozens of other topics, must be established first insofar as possible, before a Christology can be cogently developed.
But yes, when I (finally) arrive at that point, I find that God can not only be expected but _trusted_ to enter our world Incarnate at some time in human history, in order to redeem creation from the evil which in some sense He allows to occur. (And quite a few other anticipatory details, too--a chosen people, a virgin birth, a betrayal by His nominal allies allowing Himself to be unjustly condemned to torture and death in some deeply symbolic fashion, a Resurrection afterward, with some sort of temporary withdrawal for an indeterminate period of time. There are several ways the details might be solved for; but there _is_ a story in place, with what I think are sufficiently decent historical bona fides, saying that this has already happened.)
Jason
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