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To promote independent thought about ultimates. Philosophy, commentary on the passing scene, and whatever else turns my crank. Since 4 May 2004. By William F. Vallicella, Ph.D., Gold Canyon, Arizona, USA. Motto: "Study everything, join nothing." (Paul Brunton) Latin Motto: Omnia mea mecum porto. Turkish motto: Yol bilen kervana katilmaz. (He who knows the road does not join the caravan.) All material copyrighted.

Remarks on the Cogito with Reference to Reppert

Victor Reppert has an interesting recent post on the Cartesian Cogito ergo sum. He makes two main points. While the first is undeniably correct, the second is controversial. Here is my take on both points.


Posted by William F. Vallicella on Thursday April 7, 2005 at 9:45am
Rob (mail) (www):
Is time the means by which an enduring (though perhaps still non-substantial) self can be secured?

I'm thinking here of Kant's "Synthetical Unity of Apperception". He says:

The unity of this apperception I likewise entitle the
transcendental unity of self-consciousness, in order to indicate the possibility of a priori knowledge arising from it. For the manifold representations, which are given in an intuition, would not be one and all my representations, if they did not all belong to one self-consciousness. As my representations (even if I am not conscious of them as such) they must conform to the condition under which alone they can stand together in one universal self-consciousness, because otherwise they would not all without exception belong to me. From this original combination many consequences follow. [...]


So, in other words, don't we get over your objection to Descartes' (and Victor's) argument for the existence of a self once it is recognized that "I think" that accompanies all of our representations is not an evanescent 'point-consciousness', but an activity that has a duration whose unity requires a thinker?

Just a thought ...

Rob
4.7.2005 10:49am
Victor Reppert (www):
By way of clarification, your comments seem to suggest that while you may be critical of Descartes (and me for endorsing him) you do not endorse Russell's objection that "thinking is going on" should have been sufficient. There must be a thing that does the thinking, but it is not have to be a continuingly existing substance. This puts you somewhere between Russell and Descartes.
4.11.2005 5:40pm
Bill Vallicella (mail) (www):
Victor,

Let's think about it some more. You made a good point with the barber example: what may seem to be coherent at first glance, may turn out not to be coherent. And so you want to say that, although at first glance it appears to make sense to posit a pain without an owner, upon analysis one sees that the suggestion is incoherent.

My point was that, even though this is right, it is still a further, and rather long, step from 'a mental datum must have an owner' to 'the owner must be a substance.'

Take an occurrent episode of perceiving. It has an object: no intentional state without object-directedness. But is there a subject, an I, from which the ray of intentonality proceeds, so to speak? Some, like Sartre and Butchvarov, deny this. But let's grant it. In other words, let's grant that a perceiving has both an object-pole and a subject-pole. How do you know that that subject-pole is a substance, a continuant?

One possibility is that there is an 'owner' of mental data, but that owner is construable bundle-theoretically. In that case, there is a diachronic subject of experience but no res cogitans, no soul or mind substance.

But I wasn't affirming the bundle view. I tend to think of the subject as a substance. My point against you and Descartes was that the substance view is not proven by the Cogito alone. I can say this without agreeing with Russell.
4.14.2005 1:39pm